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Old Reference Material: Better Than The New?

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I have noticed that many older books tend to be rather large volumes chock full on information about coins and their historical contexts. In fact, many numismatists that I have known claim that a lot of modern books are just summaries or possibly even "dumbed down" versions of older works.

So what is the oldest reference book that you own? Do you find that it in fact has more interesting and useful material in it than many modern books on the same subjects?
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I think there is a little truth in this but there also comes a point where you need an updated reference as well.

My oldest Numismatic book is my ANA grading guide circa 1987. I still use it and it is really showing its age. I have a Red Book from 2000. THe problem is that while they do provide a bit more detail than their current versions, they also lack some of the up-to-date information that you may need. So it's a fine line.

For what it's worth I plan on updating both my ANA grading guide and my RedBook this next week.

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Newly discovered die varieties, RPMs, etc need to be added to reference works to keep them accurate and up to date.
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I also think that the older reference books contain more information then the newer onesv. My two oldest books are "The Greek and Roman History Illustrated by Coins and Medals" This book is from 1692. An the other is " An Essay on Ancient Coins, Medals and Gems" This book is from 1830.
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There are a couple of distinct types of information found in reference books.

historical, I think many of the older publications do a much better job on this aspect.

technical, I think that the modern reference materials are very much more informative on this aspect, especially since errors and varieties are a fairly new trend for the collector.

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I'll go along with your theory. Over the years I've noticed a massive increase in books on coins. Many appear to be abbreviated versions of other books but changed enough so not law suites. This is sort of like those adds on TV on how to become rich with buying and selling real estate. One guy starts it and many, many jump on the band wagon with similar stuff. Same with books on coins. Many know that this hobby has been growing so they make a book full well knowing people will buy almost anything eventually.
I wonder if there is a coin book on coin books?
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Thanks for the input, everyone!

Yes, it is so true that older works cannot possibly have up-to-date values listed for coins, and that (especially in the case of ancients) sometimes coins reported in old works to be rare are later found in great quantities in a hoard. But it seems that there are so many older works, especially those from, say the 19th century, that really focus upon the historical context. In a sense it seems that, as just carl stated, many newer works treat coins more as a commodity by abbreviating their context as much as possible and merely stating the price and believed rarity. For instance, books such as Riddell's "Monograph of the Silver Dollar" just strike me as works that truly tried to contribute to the body of knowledge in that area of numismatics, whereas it seems that most modern works (excluding some articles published by the ANS) just restate what has been previously published.

For this very reason I am quite happy to see that many publishers that focus upon the reprinting of old works that are in the public domain have begun to reissue many relating to coins. (Though many of these can also be found on google books)

These presses include Kessinger Publishing, BiblioLife, BiblioBazaar, Cornell University Library Press, and others.
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I have some works back in the late 18th century but I don't find them very useful. The best references I have are from the late 18th and early 20th century The oldest one I think highly of is Crosby's Early Coins of America from 1875. (I don't have the original, just reprints.) There are some very good modern works as well, but a lot of what I use is 50 years old or more.
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