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I got this out of a foreign currency "grab box". It was so different I had to get it. I am pretty sure it's not currency, but what is it? Can anyone help me out?

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 Posted 01/02/2010  04:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mynt123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, here is short translation:
State 5,5% war time (or for war?) short time loan, 2nd edition of 1916.
At least for me its interesting. I dont know its current value.
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Thanks mynt123. I have been trying to translate it on line, and I came up with something for the first line of the "small print":

"On it is shown this the coupon stands out on 1 October 1925"

Obviously something is being lost in translation, but it seems to be some sort of a loan coupon? Listing the terms of 5.5% interest, issued in 1916, and it comes due in 1925? Could it be a WWI Russian war bond?

It's quite the little mystery...
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01/02/2010 05:17 am
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Yes, it's Russian, it then proceeds to tell you when and where you can get the 1.375 roubles you've earned, and that you won't pay income tax ("bez uderzhaniya sbora s dokhodov ot denezhnykh kapitalov" would mean "without the deduction of tax from income from capital").
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OK the small print probably means:

"After showing this coupon, you will be given, from 1. October 1925, in (list of places) 1 rouble 37 and 1/2 kopeks without the deduction of tax from income from capital"

As for the first line, I agree with mynt123, "National 5 and 1/2% short-time war bond, second series, 1916 year"
The second line means "The 18th coupon from a 50 rouble bond"


Don't know what the bottom line means though, something ending with "10 years".
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01/02/2010 05:29 am
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Thanks DL20K and mynt123. apparently its's a Russian War Bond from WWI. That's pretty cool, as I collect coin and currency from WWI and WWII.
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01/02/2010 1:09 pm
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I have been looking around the 'net and I think I have this thing figured out. I thought I would share in case anyone has been following this thread with bated breath!

Thanks to mynt123 and DL20K for the translating. That gave me most of what I needed to know, and got me going in the right direction for the rest of it!

It's a coupon from a 1916, 50 ruble war bond. According to some info I found, and assuming I was reading the description for this bond and not a different one (there were no pictures): There would have been 18 of these attached to the bond. Every six months one of these coupons would mature and you could go to a state bank and cash it in for 1 ruble, 37.5 kopeck. (I think I understand this correctly?)

The only thing I don't understand is how it's a 50 Ruble bond. 18 coupons for 1 Ruble 37.5 Kopeck comes to 24 Ruble 75 Kopecks. Maybe the balance is paid when you present the Bond itself? Would that explain the reference to "10 years" that DL20K pointed out in the last line?

Maybe I read the wrong description and this bond had 36 coupons? It would still be 50 Kopecks short, though... Oh well, at least I now know what it is. Just the "interesting" factor was worth the 50 cents I paid for it! Thanks for the help guys!
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01/02/2010 2:46 pm
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Now, you'll need the main part, which will probably look like this (it's a 100 rb.):
http://www.allegro.pl/item865702209..._5_s_ii.html
Too bad the photo is too blurry to read the whole text, though you can see the "1926", suggesting it's a 10-year bond.
Here we have another one (a 100 rb. as well):
http://www.atticus.pl/index.php?pag=poz&id=55131
And the text below says "16 out of 20 coupons are left"
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01/02/2010 2:56 pm
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Thanks DL20K! I have been looking for some pictures of what it looked like, but haven't found any yet. Maybe because I'm looking at English language sites. I'll have to expand my search!
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 Posted 05/05/2010  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add omg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a only state-loan bond. Not paper money bond.
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