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1865 3 Cent Coin

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 Posted 01/11/2010  7:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know that I posted this coin somewhere else, but I can't find it now. This particular grading forum seems to be the hunny hole though, so I am posting again here. Note the rotated clash. This is a very neat coin.

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 Posted 01/11/2010  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! Look at the die clash on the reverse! You can see all of Liberty's face imprint on the reverse just right of the last "I" of the "III" even up to her hairline!

Solid AU coin here, and should bring a premium with that strong of a clash.
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 Posted 01/11/2010  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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WOW! Look at the die clash on the reverse!

it is actually harder to find a 3cn that doesn't show this type of clashing than it is to find them with it. I know when I bought mine I thought "this is something special" (since I didn't know the series very well) but soon found out every one I saw had this type of clashing and only about 1 out of 100 I saw didn't. The one thing different with this one is that the clash is rotated 180 degrees (which I don't know how happened)
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 Posted 01/11/2010  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now 'that' is very interesting Bryan. I am learning new stuff every day here, and I really do appreciate it.
I throw a picture up here, and I am rewarded with knowledge, so I keep on doing what I have been conditioned to believe substantiates rewards.

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Zeewool, I believe I have the twin for your coin (separated at birth, no doubt!). My coin shows a bit more wear than yours and in fact was graded as EF-45 by the dealer, Jack Beymer. It shows the same rotated clash marks and obverse Cuds, plus the little die breaks (?) at 12:00 and 5:00 on the reverse. Could these two coins have been struck from the same dies? The clashed profile of Miss Liberty on my coin seems to have been clashed one more time affecting the lips and nose), so if the dies were the same I guess mine was struck after yours.

You didn't say whether your coin itself is a rotated die, but mine is: the reverse is rotated just past 180°. If the dies had indeed clashed one more time between the two strikes yet my coin still shows basically a single profile of Liberty, then I speculate that the dies did not rotate between clashes. In that case, your coin should also be a rotated die, with the same degree of rotation.

I'd say that both of our coins are very neat!

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 Posted 01/12/2010  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that would be the only way I can see the clashing being 180 degrees off is if the whole reverse is rotated that much. Your two coins look almost exactly alike, even the Cuds are in the same place with the same pattern, and the clashing is exactly the same as well
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 Posted 01/12/2010  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Jaobler ! That is absolutely amazing (I guess). To me it is anyway. All of the details that you mentioned are present on this coin also, including the rotation. Same reverse die for sure, and most likely the same pairing, unless the obverse die was changed out and the exact same degree of rotation was again achieved, somehow. No, wait a minute, the Cud is also identical, so these coin are definitely of the same pairing, and your Cud may be just a hair more well developed, so you could be correct about your coin being a bit later than mine, but not by much. I also see what you mean about your lips and nose; I don't know what to think about that. I am really to tired to think right now.
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 Posted 01/12/2010  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok who is sending who their coin so they can have a matching pair?

Oh yeah, this is the one I have with the clashing (mine is clashed on Obverse and Reverse pretty good)

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 Posted 01/12/2010  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To have one of each variety would be very nice, Bryan. I like yours with clashing on both sides.
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