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Regarding zinc coins, like the Austrian 5 groschen or Nazi wartime reichspfennigs.

There usually is this white stuff on them.
1. What can be used to remove it?
2. Does it make sense to remove it or will it come back anyway?
3. Will not removing it and storing the coin in normal (indoor) conditions worsen the situation?
4. Some say that you need to cover zinc and iron coins with vaseline to protect them. Is this true?
5. Sometimes it's just on the surface, and it hasn't eaten away the coin (yet), what then?

Thank you.
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Good questions; I'd love to know the answers to these too.
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I'm guessing the white stuff is zinc oxide--due to a galvanic reaction
Since this process is accelerated by contact with nobler metals, zinc coins should not touch other coins like Aluminum, Bronze, CuNi.
Just my inexpert take--perhaps the chemists here have a technique for reducing this corrosion?
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Zinc oxide is white. Zinc sulfide is white, too. In fact, unlike most other metals, most zinc compounds are white or colourless. The great mystery to me is not, "why do some zinc coins turn white?" but, "why do most zinc coins turn black?", because they shouldn't. These guys don't know; they think it might be some kind of surface effect, rather than actually forming a black deposit. I would assume that for coins, it's reacting with acidic skin oils from people's fingers and hands.

So, to answer your questions:

1. Zinc is a highly reactive metal; any chemical agent (eg acid) strong enough to remove zinc oxides, sulfides etc would most likely destroy the coin. You'll probably be forced to resort to physical removal (rubbing, scraping, etc) - things which you generally shouldn't do to a coin unless the corrosion has already destroyed it's value.

2. It will, in all likelihood, come back, especially if kept in the same environment that turned it white in the first place. Some of the bad white corrosion spots I've seen on zinc coins seem to have been the zinc equivalent of bronze disease; capable of spreading and consuming an entire coin.

3. See above. Removal, especially by chemical means, will likely leave the surface "activated" and much more prone to reaction with it's environment.

4. Can't say I've tried it. I'm not sure about Vaseline, but some petroleum jellies contain sulfur compounds. It might prevent the worse kinds of corrosion, but it wouldn't stop it changing colour.

5. If it's just a thin film evenly over the surface, keep it like that. White coins are just as good as black ones.
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Zinc, Similarly to Aluminum forms a layer of Oxide on the surface. Many metals do this and that layer actually protects the rest of that metal. As long as that layer is not removed, further Oxidation is halted to almost no reactions at all. Aluminum is famous for this. It is used in mixing with iron compounds to form a steel that will turn dark but no rusting will happen after that. Stainless steels too are formed utilizing the additions of metals that are very Oxydation resistant. If you leave a Zinc coin alone that has a layer of Oxide on it, they will usually not Oxide, or rust, futher. Rust is a term used usually for iron but is in reality Oxydation.
Many people have just added a alight layer of good grades of gun oils to such coins.
Vasalines are as different as Olive Oils. Although basically the same, any man made product is always a little different. Different manufacturers add substances to their product to hide the actual formulae to stop patent infringements and copying their products.
By this I mean what someone puts on a coin with good results may end up damaging your coins.
For storing any metalic products for a long period of time. It is best that they do not touch different metals. They are reasonably safe as long as the temperature is constant though. The touching of dissimilar metals is the basis of accuracy in temperature calibrations with the usage of thermocouples. This means two wires of different metals are connected to each other and at a point, an electrical difference is created with even the slightest change in temperature. In piping and air/gas duct works, this system is used by even Nuclear plants due to accuracy. This change is recorded at the opposite end via meters and a temperature is noted.
For this reason it is not a great idea to store coins of different materials in such a way that they touch each other.
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A light layer of mineral oil would be better than smearing on vaseline. Storing zinc or iron coins with a dessicant will also help keep them dry.
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