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 Posted 01/30/2010  8:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Die brake runs from rim to the forehead then curves around to the hair behind ear. On the reverse E PLURIBUS has doubling on left side of letters when viewed from the center of coin toward the rim. I haven't been able to capture the doubling so well. I'm wondering if the break may have caused the doubling of the letters from stress while striking. nlp

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 Posted 01/30/2010  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nip, I really do not think that is a break. It looks like a cut.
Unless the coin is rotated 180 degrees....well, even it it were a break, which it isn't, it would not be a factor in Strike Doubling on the other side of the coin, which is not there either.

I am sorry and I do apologize if I sound curt and snippy, I do not mean it to be that way, I just feel that the misconception of viewing the PMD as a die break has led to other things that really are not there.
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 Posted 01/30/2010  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zeewool, its not a cut. I'll see if I can get a profile of the line that splits WE. nlp
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Here is a side view of the line between WE.
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 Posted 01/30/2010  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You really do not need to bother with that nip, I understand that it is a raised line, and therefore it must be incuse in the die, right?



What do you think about these? Notice the mark of the 'M' under Liberty's chin.


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 Posted 01/30/2010  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The half dollar, the dime, and your penny are all knife cuts nip. As the blade cuts into the metal, the metal is raised, over time, with wear, it takes on the illusion of being something that it is not.
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 Posted 01/30/2010  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

The cent shows the results of a die break. While zeewool's scenario is slightly plausible, it does not account for the continuation of the effects of the crack continuing down the hairline on Lincoln's head.

Thanks,
Bill
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The cent shows the results of a die break. While zeewool's scenario is slightly plausible, it does not account for the continuation of the effects of the crack continuing down the hairline on Lincoln's head.


That is absolutely absurd. It does not even 'remotely' resemble a die break, not by any stretch of the imagination.

It 'is' a knife cut, plain and simple.
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 Posted 01/31/2010  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could it be a possible lamination separation? the mark takes a quick stage left at the bottom? As always I love to learn....
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 Posted 01/31/2010  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you kidding?
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accually no, I'm not, but I'm no expert in these matters I've only ad a few lamination errors it would amaze
me to think someone could or would make a precise cut from the rim, but not through the rim and then curve to the left and then down........its obviously not a die break as mentioned...there would not be a side
angle view with the cut like feature.....if it were a die break, as we all know metal would flow
to fill the gap. I'm only thinking, not disputing ideas....that a lamination could explain the cut that
is not straight, and resulting in the raised metal peeling back...
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 Posted 01/31/2010  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll tell you what Gene, take a penny, secure it with anything other than your fingers, take a box cutter, hold it at an angle, make your slice, and you can have your very own one of a kind 'lamination separation' or 'die break' or what ever you want to call it. It is fast and easy, you can make lots of them and sell them on ebay.
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 Posted 01/31/2010  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post the picture on VW. There won't be too many folks who won't know exactly what it is.
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 Posted 01/31/2010  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is an image of a similar die break on a more recent coin.

http://www.rogerscoinshop.com/prodi...MG_09341.jpg
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That one may actually be a break. Rather hard to see it very well.

I am going to try to make one of my own. It will only take a couple of seconds. Probably take a few minutes to make pictures though. I have never done this before, but I think that I can come up with something similar.
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All I had at my disposal was a pair of pliers and an old razor blade. I did not really attempt to make a sharp angle with the blade for fear of blood.




Raised up rather easily.
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Same raised line from another angle.
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This could be something with a bonus lamination separation.
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Bill, if I have made my point, I will refrain from further rudeness, and I will apologize for it.

Lou

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