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1797 Cartwheel Penny

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 Posted 02/01/2010  9:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add expprnon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have come across a 1797 penny that does not fit the weight standard of 28+ grams. This one weighs right at 18 grams. The front and back have the same relief as the 1797 although there is a lot of wear. Was there more than one version of the 1797 with respect to weight?
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pics?
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They were minting certwheel design pennies for a few years all dated 1797. A coin with that date has to weigh 28.3 grams. In 1806 the design was changed and the coins lost some weight now being at 18.9 g.
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George III's one penny coins:

This design (dated 1797) should weigh 28.3 g.

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This design (dated 1806 - 1807, and 1808 if you're so lucky) should weigh 18.9 g.

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Unfortunately the strange part about this coin is that it matches the first set of pictures above with the 1797. I don't think my scale is off, or maybe my math is off, it weighs .9 oz. Hope this helps. PS. I was looking to add a picture of the coin, however, I guess I just can't see how to add a picture. Could someone help? Thanks in advance.
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0.9 oz is about 26 grams, so it could match a worn example of the cartwheel penny. If you click reply to topic link at the top right of the page, then click on the small green camera symbolbelow the reply box. From there you can upload a picture, so long as it is 90 kb or less. Hope that helps
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Thank you Jeff for your prompt response and instructions. I guess I need to go back to school for weights and measures. I've added the pictures, however, not of good quality.

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To my eye, this coin is also seem slike harsly cleaned sometime as far as 50 years back. The mint surface seems to be removed both by a chemical compound and circulation. Combined of, those processes, can easily remove a couple of grams from coin's mass. I have two cartwheels, one is a P-12 (US Standarts) and the other seems to be a G or G+. The former is roughly around 25,5 Grams. Watever the condition is, cartwheels are lovely coins to keep. Did you know that they used to be put of dead people's eyes, back in 1800's to avoid them from opening instanly before burial, while they're being dressed for the coffin.
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