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United States
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Need some opinions as to whether you pros think this could be real. It is not magnetic.It's slightly larger than a U.S. quarter and about the same weight as a half dollar.I found it in a box of old nic-nacs that my Grandmother had in the cellar.   |
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Valued Member
United States
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according to Red Book. "The first pine tree coins were minted on the same size planchets as the oak tree pieces. Subsequent issues of the shilling were narrower and thicker to conform to the style of the english coins. Large Planchet shillings ranged from 27 to 31 mm in diameter: Small planchets shillings ranged from 22 to 26 mm in diameter." It looks to me to be a shilling, large planchet 27-31 mm There are a few dif viarites Pellets at trunk without pellets at trunk No H in MASATUSETS monogrammed NE in legend now if yours is real I have no idea I'm just quoting Red Book. in G condition its worth 700-$800. according to Red Book. I have no clue how to grade coins tho. Hope I helped. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Jason. It is 27 mm across in the center.
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Valued Member
United States
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It looks like a cast coin to me.
If this is real, this should be a W-690, Noe-1, Crosby 12-1 large planchet pine tree shilling due to 1) top of tree points to S, 2) with H (not Masatusets), 3) diameter within 27-31 mm, and 4) six pairs of branches not gently curved upward.
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I'd vote for "not real". If it really is all bubbly and grainy like it looks in those pics, then it's almost definitely a cast fake.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
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We can always count on Sap, a very responsible moderator.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's not bumpy at all. It's quite smooth it just has some pitting on the surfaces.If it were cast would it not be magnetic?
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If it were cast would it not be magnetic? Only if it were cast out of a magnetic material. A cast coin is simply a coin made from pouring the liquid metal into a mold. |
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United States
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Do you think they would have used silver ratman?
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
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New Member
United States
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Hi Halfwitty, just joined the family and wanted to know if you determined with 100% certainty this 1652 NE Pine Tree's real or fake?
Thanks!
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Unfortunately, Mr. Halfwitty had a disagreement with the forum's swearword filter and no longer posts here.
However, it can be said quite definitively that it's not genuine. The bubbly, fuzzy appearance is typical of a crude cast fake and, as dollarcoins pointed out, the weight is at least twice as high as it should be. Genuine pine tree shillings are relatively thin (especially these "early thin" varieties), as is typical for late mediaeval and early modern hammered coinage. A cast copy can't easily be made that thin, because there wouldn't be enough space between the moulds for metal to pour properly. This explains why so much metal had to be used to make this one.
In short, this is a replica, rather than a counterfeit. The people who made it weren't really trying to fool anybody.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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Thank you for sharing the information, Sap. |
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Unfortunately, Mr. Halfwitty had a disagreement with the forum's swearword filter and no longer posts here wh-what? halfwitty's gone?  |
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Has all the tell tale signs of a cast copy, one of many floating around.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Posted 02/07/2010 10:44 am
