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I am new in US coins so sorry for the newbie's questions.

Why is the 1903 o Morgan so much more expensive when the mintage number is much higher than other coins around the same time?

I bought one of this coin in an auction in unc condition and looked at it under the magnifier at home and looks even bag mark free to me. How much this coin would sell on ebay USA?
I also bought one 1907d $5 gold half eagle, perfect on one side and almost perfect on the other with a tiny bag mark on the front next to one of the surrounding stars at the top at 1 clock not visible with naked eye.
What is the value of this coin?
My best regards from Australia.
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It is 1 am here but I will make some in the morning.
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The 1903-O Morgan is an interesting story.

Late in World War I, the Germans began a rumor in India that the British lacked sufficient silver to back the then-popular Silver Certificates being issued in India. The Indian government had convinced their population to accept certificates in lieu of silver Rupees, establishing redemption agencies across the country to pay silver upon demand by the population. This was a successful system, allowing Britain and India to devote less silver to circulating coinage while giving the populace access to true silver whenever they wished.

The German propaganda rumor began a run on silver redemption in India. Desperate, the British government contacted the American government, wishing to obtain a large amount of silver. Nevada Senator Key Pittman, seeing a great opportunity for his silver-producing state, authored the Pittman Act, which called for the liquidation of a huge amount of silver dollars then stored in the Treasury, as well as a like amount to be purchased from miners.

Under the Act, over 270 million Morgans (more than half of the total ever minted) were melted, and most of the resulting raw silver was sold to Great Britain.

Many rarities were created by this process. Depending on current demand, some years saw more dollars ending up in storage than others, and these ended up melted in greater numbers. The 1903-O was an example, or thought to be. Up until 1962, the 1903-O was considered to be the true "stopper" in the Morgan dollar series; only about 10 were thought to be extant. Then, in 1962, the Treasury released thousands of 1903-O's from bags they'd had stored all along. These were all Uncirculated coins, and the bottom dropped out of the market for 1903-O's. I imagine there were a few really, really angry collectors who'd paid moon money for a 1903-O, only to have it become a rather common issue.

Even with this Treasury release, relatively few 1903-O's have been graded by comparison to other New Orleans years. Fewer, in fact (at least using ANACS' figures), than the 1893-O, considered a real rarity.
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Superdave.You are a wealth of information.
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Here are the scans

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That, sir, is one excellent 1903-O. The Half Eagle is gorgeous, too.

We'll start with the gold - I'm thinking it's a perfect example of why an AU58 coin trumps an MS62 coin for eye appeal, every time. I feel there's just the slightest bit of wear on the eagle's neck and in Liberty's hair, as the examples I'm researching for grading help show a uniformly-strong strike in those areas. Value around US$300+.

As for the Morgan? First, I'm worried about the spots I see on the reverse. Tough to tell from a scan, but they could be PVC damage. Its' technical merits are strong, though - I'm seeing a coin which easily makes MS64 with a value approaching $400.
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SuperDave I think you nailed it The gold peice is an (AU) but from the ones that I have sent in it looks like a 55. But this type of coin with a weak strike looks much like an AU coin.
The 1903 O I would love the see a close up of the date and MM of this coin. It looks like a near date. but the full date looks as if it may be doubled.
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Thank you very much on your expert opinions. I can make a better scan 1200x 1200 on smaller section of the coins.
I do one around the date, but please explain to me where is MM as I am new in US coins.
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MM is Mint Mark

(under the eagle's feet on the reverse of the gold coin).

(under the wreath bow on the silver dollar).

'O' on the silver dollar,

'D' on the gold.
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this is a 2600 scan on the date

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Thanks. Here is a 2600 scan on the MM.
If anything else you need let me know.

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Here is a 6000 scan on the neck of the gold eagle.


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Very nice near date Morgan.
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