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United States
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warjag- I have never seen a "junk dollar" like this one before. The obverse seems to be from another coin type. So I'm 99.99% sure that this guy is fake. Post some more. This shall be a fun game of sorts.
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Yes I do not think it exists. Nothing I could find. Seems to be silver though.
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If I am not mistaken, the obverse, i.e. the part that features a gun and sword is supposedly a medal made for Japanese soldiers that fought in the Chinese war. This seems to be a mule of the medal and a circulation type of the Chinese junk dollar coin.
Chances are it could be genuine but it's very very likely to be extremely rare.
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Seems to be silver though. To me it seems to be some kind of brassy metal with a silvery wash. The wash seems thinnest to the left of the helmet and around the sails of the junk. The "tarnish" appears to have been spray-painted on, then mostly wiped off. Perhaps they "wiped" a bit too vigorously in places and removed the silver wash as well. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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I have tried a silver testing kit. It came back positive. Maybe a Junk that has been shaved down and made for someone?
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United States
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I am not familiar with this coin and the inscription on the obverse is written in a seal script that I cannot really read.
However, I am able to identify a few of the characters.
Reading the inscription at the top from right to left, the first two Chinese characters are zhao he. In Japanese this is Showa which refers to the reign of Emperor Hirohito.
Moving left, the 3rd and 4th characters are both numbers which are written in the formal style used on checks and other documents to prevent fraud. The 3rd character is shi which means "10". The 4th character is er which means "2".
The first four characters then are showa 12 which should be the year 1937.
There are only a couple of other characters which I think I can identify.
There are two characters at the 9 o'clock position. The character nearest the rim is nian which means "to think of" or "to remember".
Finally, the inscription at the bottom of the coin uses the same character twice. Starting at the left, the first character and the third character are both jun which means "military" or "army".
Sorry I can't help more.
Gary
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I have tried a silver testing kit. It came back positive. Maybe a Junk that has been shaved down and made for someone? Or maybe they used actual silver for their silver wash, rather than the mercury they normally use.  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Silver testing kit can't tell the difference between silver plating and full silver. The best is to do a specific gravity test (or however it's called) and there's some good examples illustrated by a forum member here. I don't remember the link however.
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United States
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Type 90 helmet, shingunto (sword), and Type 99 or 38 rifle. Definately Japanese ;) but very likely fake.
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United States
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gxseries is right - do a specific gravity and I will guarantee you get a 8.9 to 9.1 reading. I own an identical fantasy mule - the core is a copper nickel alloy electroplated in silver it will pass a surface test by SG is npt fooled.
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While researching an entirely different topic, I came across an article discussing this coin. The one-page article, with a photo of both sides of the coin, appeared on page 40 of the 1995.3 edition of the Chinese language periodical Zhong Guo Qian Bi (China Numismatics).
The article is entitled "Proof of the Crime of the Japanese Army's Invasion of Our Country" and contains the following information.
This one yuan coin was issued to commemorate the one year anniversary of the Japanese invasion of Shanghai.
The inscriptions are written in seal script and the one at the top of the coin reads zhao he shi er san nian which translates as "Showa 12-13 years". This refers to the years 1937-1938 during the reign of Emperor Hirohito.
The inscription in the middle of the coin reads zheng zhi ji nian which means "Commemoration of the 'China Campaign' (or "Conquering of China")".
The inscription at the bottom reads shang hai pai qian jun cong jun which translates as the enlisted forces deployed to Shanghai and refers to a contingent of enlisted troops that were part of the Japanese army that invaded Shanghai.
The obverse shows a crossed sword and type "38" rifle. Above this is a Japanese army helmet with a small 5-point star.
The invasion of Shanghai occurred on August 13, 1937 so the coin was struck to commemorate the one year anniversary of this event.
The article states that the design of the reverse side was "stolen" from the 1933 one yuan silver coin showing the portrait of Dr. Sun Yat-sen on the obverse and the boat on the reverse.
The author describes the coin as not silver but rather plated with silver over a copper core. The article says that when the coin was issued it would not have been apparent that it was not a silver coin so it was minted with the intent to pose as a silver coin. Over time, however, the high spots on the coin now reveal the copper below.
The article further mentions that Japan has published a book on Japanese coinage which includes the coins issued by Japan in the areas which it invaded during World War II but that this coin was not mentioned. However, Mr. Ma Ding Xiang (one of the most respected Chinese numismatists of the 20th Century) and others have written about this coin and said that there are three varieties of the coin. At the present time (1995) there is one known authentic example of the coin in Taiwan and one in Hong Kong.
The coin in the article was found in Yancheng, Jiangsu Province which is about 300 kms north of Shanghai and which was invaded by the Japanese in 1938 and 1939.
The coin in the article is described as having a diameter of 3.85 cm, a thickness of 0.25 cm, and a weight of 25.9 grams.
Gary
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I don't know if it's fake or not but the coin does exist. It's in the Chinese coin catalogue [Lin and Ma] L&M-875. It's a 1938 Japanese Conquest of Shanghai dollar. L&M give a value of $300 in Fine and $400 in VF.
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