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I was going through my collection, and looked closely at this coin for the first time. Is the "hole" Lincoln is staring at die damage or something else? I know NOTHING about errors, so take me to school!  My camera is broke, (And I couldn't get coin photo's to turn out when it did work) so I scanned it the best I could. I tried some close ups, but couldn't get them very clear. Let me know if you need anymore info/pics. Thanks!   edit-added reverse image Edited by schmidty
02/16/2010 9:48 pm
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post mint damage something hit it
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If it were a damaged die it would be raised.
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I guess damamged die was the wrong term? I was thinking something getting between the die and planchet. But, after aladinslamp post, I studied it a little more and it does look like a piece of metal was "chiseled" out of it.
Thanks aladin and Richard for the help!
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FYI - something getting caught between the die and the planchet would be called a 'struck through' error. google this term plus 'penny' and check out what it looks like. Struck thru grease/water are common - struck thru a staple or other metal is more rare and carries a premium. I have a really cool Buffalo nickel that is struck thru wood - I wonder when the mint did that last ... And yes, post-mint damage for your guy. |
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I'm not sure I agree with post-mint damage. The hole is too neat - there's no raised metal anywhere around its' edge, which I'd expect had something gouged the coin during circulation. I see a little crack at about 8:00 coming from the area (pointed towards the nose). These make me think it might possibly be a defect in the planchet itself.
A straight-on impact (a "punch") post-mint which left a hole of that size might not leave any evidence on the rim of the hole, but would also be visible on the reverse, which schmidty hasn't mentioned. I'd have to wonder if a strikethrough of that depth might also affect the same spot on the reverse. So, that's the next question - is anything visible on the reverse?
Based purely on the evidence presented so far, I'd tentatively conclude this was a void in the original planchet. It's not that a post-mint impact couldn't create this effect, but given the shape of the hole it's the lesser possibility.
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FYI - something getting caught between the die and the planchet would be called a 'struck through' error Thanks, robbudo! I knew I had heard the term for it before, but just couldn't think of it. I probably could have searched a little and found it, but I was trying to get off the net and in to bed! Dave, Thanks for giving me a sliver of hope that it may something more than somebody taking a punch or chisel to it. I thought about posting the reverse, but didn't think it would be necessary. And, that answers your question Dave. No, I can see no evidence of the defect on the back. Of course, I don't really know what I am looking for! But, I can tell you there is no obvious protrusion like you (or I) would expect to see if it has been hit with a punch, or something similar. I will scan it in and post it tonight. (I'm at work now)  IF this is a planchet void (or any other non-PMD) does it add any value? I am not hoping to hit the lottery, I just want to know if I should hold on to it or release it into the wild for (hopefully) some kid to find. Thanks to everyone for the opinions and info. I look forward to a consensus (is that possible?  ) on what caused this damage. And, let me know if you need any more info, I will do my best to provide it. I came into this post knowing next to nothing about error coins, and have already learned a few things! |
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IF this is a planchet void (or any other non-PMD) does it add any value? No, not in any monetary sense, but people build entire collections on these things.  |
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A straight-on impact (a "punch") post-mint which left a hole of that size might not leave any evidence on the rim of the hole, but would also be visible on the reverse, which schmidty hasn't mentioned. I'd have to wonder if a strikethrough of that depth might also affect the same spot on the reverse. So, that's the next question - is anything visible on the reverse?
 This would be quite easy to determine if the coin were BU instead of circulated. If it were an impact of some sort, there should be a bit of roundedness or bulging on the reverse. A perfectly smooth reverse would cause me to lean in the direction of a struck-through, probably from scrap. Not really worth much except as an example of a struck-through, might fetch a couple bucks on ebay. |
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Wouldn't you expect to see some strike weakness on the reverse opposite the "planchet void" if that were the case, as there would not be the necessary pressure from the striking die to fully fill the design opposite the void?
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Good point DylansDad. If it were a planchet void, i.e. a flaw in the planchet present before striking then you might see some weakness if it matched up with part of the detailed wheat ear design on the reverse. If it were a struck-through, there would be no difference in strike on the reverse.
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What I see looks like a strike through, probably through a lamination that flaked off another planchet or coin.
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I edited my original post to add the reverse image.
I don't see anything opposite the damage in question. But, there appears to be another small bit of damage between the C and E. I didn't even notice it until I saw the scan.
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aside from the PMD or struck through issue I have notice the date may have some doubling..any ideas there? Eagle eye Dave and that crack at 8:00!! well done... |
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