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Washington Quarter Die Break Or Scratch

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Darkened the quarter to show flaw, Is this a Scratch or die break?
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Might be a die crack (not a die break).

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It might be part of a clash? The other field areas show evidence of a strong polishing/cleaning. I don't have an overlay for a quarter yet. Sorry.
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Good chance it is a crack, because it goes all the way to the rim.
At first line looked elevated, which would mean a scratch. (Is this right?
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important to determine if line is raised (die crack) or below the surface (incuse) scratched into leaving a 'depression'.i'am seeing a raised line; from the wing on the left,going east to the, right leg of the M of UNUM (just below it).hard to see if indeed runs across the eagles head, but thats my leaning so i'll say die crack.
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the incuse/raised thing should be on a case by case basis on circulated coins because I have seen a scratch that the sides have folded over the incuse part and make it look raised but in fact it was damage instead of a die problem. just throwing that out there, I am not giving an opinion on this particular coin
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Sure looks like a die crack to me.
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Die cracks and breaks are different from each other buy 3 things. A simple crack will have just the fracture line, most are not strait and is the simplest of die fatigue. (common)

The second is when a small amount of metal is raised as seen in the first photo.(less common,ecept Morgan dollars)

The third is a full fracture where the field plain are dis-placed seen in the last photo. (very much rarer)

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errorfinder, The line is under the eagles head, if this makes a difference
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Under the head? Methinks we aren't all looking in the same place as you...

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Another pic. does this help

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It looks like a light die crack but I can not tell if it terminates into the rim
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Yes it terminates right in the curve at the rim
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Is there somewhere you can see photos of scratches? I have a cent that looks like it was brushed with a steel brush, the marks are elevated. would this be more in the order of a scratch?
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That is from die polishing and from what I have seen they are not a list error as they wear away during the striking process
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Okay, that's where I was looking.


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I have a cent that looks like it was brushed with a steel brush, the marks are elevated. would this be more in the order of a scratch?


If the marks are raised, very fine lines, and if they also appear in the field right up against devices, they are most likely die polish lines. For example, the lines might extend on both sides of the date, but also be visible in the middle of the date or letters (but not on the raised portion of the date/letters).
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