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When examining one of my wife's coins, we came across this 1896-P Morgan. Can someone help regarding any type of VAMs?  In the pic above, note the doubling in the 6...also note the shadow above it. This appears to be a VAM 4, as per the look of this picture of the VAM 4 here. http://68.209.172.223/vamupdate/index.htm (For use as a reference for this coin.)  In the one above, note the downward doubling.   The above two pictures are what is REALLY throwing me off. I am not sure if it is a die crack or a clash...or if it is an aide to ID a VAM. In these two, note the hair details missing from near the ear:   In the next picture, note the details missing from the curls in her hair. The area in question (when looking at a Morgan) is located directly above the 9 (in 1896) and directly to the right of her jawbone. (Hope this helps.) ***NOTE: The picture was taken in an inverted position.  If you need more pictures, let us know. We have about 30 or so pictures of various areas of this coin and can take more of whatever areas may be needed. Edited by gettinIT2getheragain
06/13/2006 9:50 pm
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Just checking-in to see if anyone can help with this. Even if we are wrong, please, let us know. Thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
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can you please take a picture of the obverse and the reverse (the whole thing) it would make it alot easier to help attribute besides all these little pictures. I can almost positively tell you its not a VAM-4 though it would have doubled stars as well, here is what the book says about the VAM-4
OBVERSE: All stars right and left doubled with first two on both sides having large shifts. 6 in date doubled on lower left inside of lower loop and at top center of upper loop. Date set low and much further left than normal
Edited by Bryan1315
06/13/2006 10:15 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I looked back at the pictures and it may have a low date but cant really tell with the pictures, a full picture would tell for sure, the eye should also be doubled on the VAM-4
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Bryan, thanks for the help. I have some pictures that won't fit here, but I have hosted them on Auctiva (auctiva is our image hosting site that we use for our ebay auctions) and here are the links: Obverse: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/4/...277399_o.jpgReverse: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/4/...277390_o.jpgI hope that these pictures are clear enough for you to see. Let me clarify that the discoloration on the obverse is a dark toning that is really amazing and awesome looking when in hand!!! (Kind of reminds me of a tiger's claw marks...LOL) What's even more interesting is that the reverse is blast white. |
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well the date does look low to me so look at the stars and tell me if they are doubled and if so I will withdraw my statement that it isn't a VAM-4 if not then this may take some more investigating
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Bryan, the stars are NOT doubled. I realized, after looking at the date in the pictures that are posted above, the date is low. As far as any other characteristics of the above mentioned VAMs, I do not see them.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I will look in the book and see if I can find anything else
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here is the attributes of a VAM-10
Obverse: 6 in date doubled just above top outside of upper loop as a thin curved segment and dot on the right. Date set close to rim
This is for a VAM-16
Obverse: 6 doubled at lower left inside of lower loop. Date set much further left than normal and very close to the rim. One of the lowest dates in the Morgan series
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Edited by Bryan1315
06/14/2006 4:38 pm
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I'd agree with the 10. Thanks for posting the pic.
Edited by gettinIT2getheragain
06/14/2006 4:39 pm
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Wait....just noticed something...look at your picture. Is that for an 1896-O or for an 1896-P? This is a Philadelphia Mint coin.
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lol I know I am double talking here but looking at the picture of the full obverse the date looks like it is set a little to the left as well so maybe it is a VAM-16 . I know I know I am not being much help here but I will almost guarantee its one of them and if the date is setting as far left as it looks in the one photo then I will change my mind from 10 to 16
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those are all "P" mint the "O" in the pictures just means its of the "obverse"
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Oh....ok...after comparing two Morgans side by side...the date IS a little more to the left than usual. What is throwing me totally off though is the spread of the doubling BENEATH the date...or would consider that just mechanical? Yea...i'd go 16 as well after seeing the shifted date.
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