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alright this is a 1878 Morgan VAM-79 , I have 3 VAM-79's and this is what I think is the best looking of the 3 and was wondering what you think

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I'm going to say AU-53.
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Oh my, you are really really harsh! Even though this one is a VAM-70 it is graded by NGC as MS-64

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Kinda weakly-struck - then again, if I were that polished I'd be weak too - and a little chattery. 63 or 64, depending on the grader and the day. NGC only shows 1 in 64; dunno if they'd add to that total easily.
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Well who am I to argue with the NCG, I just called it the way I saw it. maybe it's time for new glasses To me it looked like wear in the hairline rather than a weak strike, I also saw wear on the edge of the oak leaves and rub on the cap, along with rub on the eagles neck and breast. Could be the picture but I don't see much luster, especially for an MS-64 coin.
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Luster appears lacking and there does seem to be a slight bit of rub on the leaves and bow of the reverse wreath and on the obverse maple leaves. Based on these images I'd call it a solid AU-58 slider. However, the cheek is clean and there are minimal field marks. If it does make the MS cut an MS-63 seems likely and MS-64 might be possible.

Is the VAM-79 a particularly rare type?
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its the only other B1 Reverse that has made one of the popular VAM type collections. The VAM-70 is a Top-100 coin and the VAM-79 is a HOT-50
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alright one more set of pictures. this is a VAM-79 graded MS-63 by NGC. I also want to add the top picture is graded by PCGS and I will reveal the grade once I have more opinions

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ms 64 looks better than my 62's and 63's
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ok I guess we are not going to get more opinions on this so I will explain a little more and show what PCGS graded it. I looked through the rest of my 63's (all 1878's)and then also looked at all my 64's (also all 1878's) and this one may be a 63 but its very PQ and that is why I was asking opinions. This is one of those get a PQ 63 for the same price of a regular old run of the mill 63 price. Just another example of buy the coin and not the slab

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Yeah, that's right at the top of 63.
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OUCH must look better inhand. I don't think PCGSA makes those kind of mistakes. But like superdave said, depends on the grader and day.
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OUCH must look better inhand. I don't think PCGSA makes those kind of mistakes. But like superdave said, depends on the grader and day.

do what? In my opinion it is at the top of the 63 scale and very close and even better than some I have seen and have in my collection that is graded 64
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that's why I thought it was MS64, the small rubbing on the second left(viewing angle)star is the only distracting thing which is nothing!and too many coins I see are MS 63 that have many bag marks all over? makes me wonder why I submit coins and AU grading is asserted ...It makes me wonder when these coins were minted and packed in canvas BAGS!! carried by wagon! I can see why they have no marks!
I can't see why ms-64 is not out of the question....
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