A Few Hammered Cut Halfs And A Penny, Help With ID Needed

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Jeff 11 Valued Member United Kingdom 497 Posts	Posted 02/19/2010 05:35 am Hi. I have a few hammered pieces I could do with a little help id'ing. I bought a lot of about 25 pieces recently, these are the last few without ID. 1. I'm fairly confident it's Scottish, and can make out part of the latin james and 6 d, so sixpence of one of the james? 2. Two cut halfs - one long cross of Henry (II?) and a Short cross. No idea of the type for either. 3. A long voided cross penny - london civitas on around the cross. Don't know which Monarch or type. 4. another voideed long cross penny, london civitas. Not sure of type or monarch. Any ideas on these would be very helpful. Also if anyone is interested I'm offering some of my surplus hammered coins for sale in the sell forum. Thanks! www.kingstoncoincompany.co.uk Report this Post to the Staff

svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 02/19/2010 8:27 pm I'll start from the bottom, #4. I can see the obverse legend EDWR ANGL DNS HYB, which means it's Edward I penny after the 1279 recoinage. As you pointed out it was minted in London. There were a lot of different classes issued. It's hard to pinpoint which one you have - there's not much visible of the side prongs of the crown or the king's drapery which would help in attributing it. Based on what I see it could be class 6 (1292 - 96), class 7 (1294 - 96), or class 9 (1300 - 1302). I skipped class 8 for it's known for its "funky" S which is not on your coin. I'll pick at your other coins, one at a time, when I have time - unless other people chime in. Report this Post to the Staff
svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 02/19/2010 9:18 pm #3 (the second from the bottom) is also an Edward coin. Looks like same legends, both reverse and obverse, as the #4 coin. By the way, Jeff, what is the diameter (of all of them) - they could be halfpennies as well. Report this Post to the Staff
svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 02/19/2010 10:48 pm #2 Long cross cut half (top halves on the pictures). The obverse legend starts with HEN... which does not automatically means Henry - Richard I, John, and initially Edward I also used this name on their coins. But the long cross and where the legend starts - at the top of the crown - suggests this is "no -sceptre" variety. Therefore, it must be Henry III (1216 - 1272, and that's the best I can do on dating the coin), class 3A, I'm 99% sure. The full obverse legend would be HENRICUS REX III, I believe one can see the III coming around. I cannot figure out the mint for on those coins they put the moneyer's name first, and then abbreviated the mint name on whatever little space left. Report this Post to the Staff
svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 02/20/2010 02:09 am OK, #2 short cross cut half. On the reverse four pellets in each quarter. That narrows it down to from 1180 Henry II, through Richard I and John, to 1247 Henry III. All of them had the same obverse legend, HENRICUS REX. I can see the sceptre with cross on top of it, letter H starting the legend, and a simple cross for letter X at the end of the legend (your half of the coin is the left half). I can see that the crown has five pearls, and the king has anulets for eyes. That rules out Richard. Two (or three) curls on the left. Could be Henry II, class 1B or 1C (1180 - 89). Could be John (1199 - 1216), especially classes 5B or 6A. Could be Henry III before he introduced the long cross coinage (1216 - 47), class 6. As for the reverse legend, again, very hard to tell. Would have to go through oodles of possible moneyers' names which is not easy with partial legend available. Report this Post to the Staff
svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 02/20/2010 02:11 am Somebody better take over with the first coin, I have no reference on Scottish stuff. Report this Post to the Staff
Jeff 11 Valued Member United Kingdom 497 Posts	Posted 02/21/2010 06:36 am Thats a great lot of infromation, Thansk very much for your help svslav! www.kingstoncoincompany.co.uk Report this Post to the Staff
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