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New Member
Ireland
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 I am fighting with myself over the grade of this large shilling 1689 irish gunmoney so I let you be the judges this is my first proper post here and anyone with value that would be great Thanks dave  
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Gunmoney? I just know there has to be an interesting story behind that moniker, please share  BTW, beautiful Irish copper there  |
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New Member
 Ireland
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emergency coinage known as gun money was struck with the month as well as the year
JamesII the was over throne by williamIII so james landed at kinsale on the 12th march 1689 to try to recover his throne to pay his francf irish army james had emergency coinage struck of scrap metal from old cannons the old cannons being of brass the coinage was virtually worthless only for the promise to redeem in gold or silver at a later date in short they never got redeem
Dave
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As for grading, I'd call it an XF- if it was mine. I'd call if VF+ if I was looking to buy it from you (LOL). Keep in mind, these are my standards only.
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New Member
Ireland
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jay dad remind me not to sell to you lol
Thanks for the input
Dave
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Moderator
 United States
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Interesting story behind that coin.
Welcome to the CCF!
Duplicate posts deleted - Sap
swcoin.ecrater.com
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New Member
Ireland
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thanks for the welcome
Ver my first
Dave
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Dave, that's a great coin and interesting story!  Vermontensium, what happened there?  |
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Australia
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I deleted Vermontensium's multiple posts. Don't know what happened there.
As for the grade of this one, I'd call it an American gEF, or a British VF.
One of the things I like about the Gunmoney series is the month-dating; the sequence runs from July 1689 to October 1690. The theory behind dating these coins by month was that, once James II regained his throne (and regained control of the royal treasury), he would exchange the token coinage for proper silver in the order the coins were issued, with the oldest coins redeemed first. I have just three gunmoney coins myself: a Sept 1689 shilling, and halfcrowns of August 1689 and Jan 1689.
Of particular interest to me is that back then, the calendar year was not incremented until the spring equinox, midway through March. Thus, coins dated "Feb 1689" are actually from what we would call Feb 1690, and coins dated "March 1689" and "March 1690" are from one and the same month. It fits in nicely with my "calendars" theme.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Ireland
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 thanks sap I have only two myself this one and a 1690 crown I will post the pic later dave |
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United Kingdom
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I found one of these once in a field - in terrible condition naturally. It was strange because I know William's army camped about 4 miles from here on his way down to the Boyne, but there is no record of James's army being anywhere near here - probably just a happenstance, though there was an old chapel , long since converted to a Church of Ireland (actually my local graveyard, that's build on a rath (over 2500 years old - hows that for a site :) ) so it may have been dropped by a visitor to it ....
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New Member
Ireland
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I'd grade it as VF with striking issues on the reverse.
SAP : Gunmoney runs from June 1689 (not July) - only the sixpence was minted in June.
On the date change in March - the year 1689 ended on the day we now call March 24th 1690 and 1690 began on the day we now call March 25th 1690 - so the coins dated March 1689 were produced up to the 24th and those dated March 1690 from the 25th onwards - in theory, in practice I expect that dies were used until they were exhausted, so the dies prepared from 25th March onwards would have been dated 1690 - and as coins dated March 1690 are readily available there was clearly significant die preparation in this short period at the end of March.
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I think that my favorite aspect of the CCF forum (as opposed to others), is that many folks actually know some history and other facts about their coins (other than what it is and how much it is worth).
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New Member
Ireland
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thanks for all the op. Sorry I have not been on in a while. But what I got this for I am still quite happy. All the best. Dave
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