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Canada To Replace Paper Currency With Plastic?!

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..and nickel based coinage with steel based coins.

See article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blog...icle1489845/
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 Posted 03/04/2010  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm, this is very interesting. I'm not sure how I'd feel about plastic notes.
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 Posted 03/04/2010  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I lived in Australia for a while and liked their notes. Washable too.
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I guess I would have to actually have one in my hands to really make any sort of assesments.
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Oh god forbid if the Canadian Government would leave the production of Canadian money stock in Canada. Why out source it..we could use the jobs here
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I'm not sure how well the polymer notes will hold up in -30 weather, there's going to be a lot of cracked notes!

Personally I much prefer the look and feel of paper notes over the polymer but I suppose the polymer notes are more practical.
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Australia has had polymer notes since 1992. They work fine.
When they were introduced, the new notes were smaller than the paper ones: much more convenient.
I can't recall anyone complaining about them.
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A few tidbits regarding polymer notes:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_money

"In 1988 The Reserve Bank of Australia, released the world's first long lasting and counterfeit resistant polymer (plastic) banknotes (...) In 1996 Australia became the first country to have a full series of circulating polymer banknotes.(...) The technology developed is now used in 26 countries.(...) Note Printing Australia is currently printing polymer notes for 18 countries."


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Quote:
Why out source it..we could use the jobs here

The Australian government owns the patents to the technology, and would sue the pants off the Canadians if they stole it.

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I can't recall anyone complaining about them.

Peter, lots of people, particularly bank tellers, shopkeepers, and others that had to count and sort large numbers of mixed notes, complained about them - and many of them still do. The polymer notes tend to stick together when you're trying to count or sort them, and once they get folded, they stay folded, only returning to flatness with great difficulty; a pile of polymer notes is much less tidy than a pile of paper notes.

Australian polymer notes were introduced with the aim of there being two key improvements over paper: they last longer in circulation and they withstand hot, tropical conditions better than paper (this last point has been a key selling point for NPA's customers in Southeast Asia).

Canada doesn't have any tropical regions, so the only benefit they'd gain is from increased longevity. They'd certainly want to do some extensive cold-weather testing before adopting them.

As for abolishing nickel, they'd simply be following general world trends. A small percentage of the population is allergic to nickel, so governments worldwide are moving away from it's use in coinage. Canada has been reluctant to abandon nickel in the past, because it's one of the world's largest suppliers, thanks to the Sudbury meteorite. Abandoning nickel would thus be unpatriotic, too.
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Sap,

Yes, I do remember the notes were gummy.

What about being counterfeit resistant - is this true? They had transparency features if I recall.



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Sure, the polymer is "counterfeit-resistant" - all NPA banknotes have a "see-thru" section of clear plastic, that acts like a watermark on paper notes. That's hard to replicate, because even if you use plasticized glossy paper in a printer or photocopier to try to duplicate the "feel", you can't make a see-thru section. But you can get counterfeit resistance that's almost as good by using holograms etc. while still keeping the paper substrate.
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 Posted 03/06/2010  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being in the cash dispensing business this is very scary if the note size were to change.
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quote: "... lots of people, particularly bank tellers, shopkeepers, and others that had to count and sort large numbers of mixed notes, complained about them - and many of them still do."

- Queenslanders are prone to grizzle: last week, not enough rain; this week, too much rain; too much money to count ...

quote: "... a pile of polymer notes is much less tidy than a pile of paper notes"
- I rest my case: you've got a pile of money, but tidyness is an issue ...
more seriously, this is only a concern for those who hope to get nearUnc notes from circulation. Joe Public doesn't see this as an issue.

Mr Canada: The size reduction was particularly welcomed when the $50 and $100 were introduced: no-one had a wallet big enough to hold the old paper ones.

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 Posted 03/07/2010  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add curtis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being in the printing industry - synthetic paper is nothing new. There was a product that has been out in the Canadian market for easily 10 - 15 years - its commercial name was Yuppo. I'm sure the Australians wouldn't want Canada to use its "paper" (which is, in all likely-hood a special formulation anyway) nor would Canada want that specific paper (it becomes easier to counterfeit). if its anything like the Yuppo, it will feel quite nice in the hand - feels very soft & smooth, almost like a silky velour. I look forward to the new change... its better than killing trees... lord knows I've done my fair share of that...
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Can't they leave anything alone? Our coinage has been through one debasement after another. Gone is the time when pocket change reflected real value. Now the mint routinely stamps and issues junk. A lot to be proud of. Now the folks in charge - likely after numerous conferences and donut dunking clatches - want to replace paper with polymer. It's disrespectful, it's infuriating. But it is - par for the course.
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We've had steel coinage in Canada since about 1999-2000, so that doesn't surprise me. Used to be nickel (for the most part, plus bronze aureate for dollars). What does surprise me is the talk towards polymer notes. We've changed our notes quite a bit since 2003 and to change them again will surely confuse new immigrants. I've used polymer in Mexico, and I must say it is pleasing to touch and have, and because they last a very long time they are durable and cost-effective. If Canada were to do this it wouldn't be to save money though, it would be to curb counterfeiting, since that is why we've changed our notes quite a bit recently.
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