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Franklin Halves, Dansco Or Slabbed ?

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 Posted 03/28/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Brian, the BIG question you don't address is how coins "settle" into the album.

Yes I did, I said I use gloves and push the coin into the album and be sure you can see "cardboard on each side of the coin(since its wider than the actual coin.
I have plenty of MS-60-MS-69 coins in my album and the lowest coin that has ever been in my album was AU-50 so I guess in my opinion yes I can say its safe. Anyone else can have their own opinion but as I said mine is if done correctly there is no problem and what ever grade it was when inserted it will be the same grade when removed no matter how many times you take the slides out or in. Is it as easy and placing it in a 2x2 no because you have to use care when placing them in the pages and it takes time to be sure the slides will not touch but if done correctly the slides will get nowhere near the coin
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 Posted 03/28/2010  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Excalibur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Collecting should mostly be done for fun, not profitability...
I agree with you here but sometime in the future you'll gonna have to sell your collection or pass it to your children. That's why I want to keep my coins safe.


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I have a few coins that are muliti thousand dollar coins in my Dansco album so I wouldn't hesitate to put any coin in there myself but it is really according to how you like the looks and how much room you have to store them

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I think Danscos are great to keep that AG/G/F collection of Frankies/roosies/walkers/etc. Because it is VERY cool to have them in an album and if you ever want to throw them on ebay - the fact that there in a Dansco can't hurt.
Exactly, I don't mnd putting coin thats worth few hundreds dollars in a Dansco album if it's in lower grade but I'm afraid of putting there coin that is in MS grade.


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MS-63 Franklin's aren't retailing anywhere near $100, except for the 1949-S; according to RedBook. I picked up a MS-63 1963 Franklin for $10.00
Yes, but I said at least MS63 and above. Many of those coins in those grades MS63, MS64, MS65 or MS66 and with full bell lines will cost over $100. That's why maybe it will be good to collect 2 sets one slabbed in higher grade and with full bell lines and another in dansco album in slightly lower grade which can be completed a lot cheaper while still looking very nice.
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Bryan, you didn't answer my question about "settling" into an album.

"Settling" for me is once you've inserted into the album. So you pull out the album for family gatherings, or maybe you've even moved and they been "bounced" around a bit.

In short, I'm talking about "physical settling"

So how's the Rookie Coin Collector supposed to deal with that?

They wouldn't have this problem if they were still in the slabs.

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03/28/2010 2:12 pm
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well if their coins fit as tight as mine does I don't see any problem with them moving once there in the album, I don't usually show off my coins to people who come in the house. Most do not even know I collect so can't really answer that question from experience. I am not trying to get in a debate here just stating my opinion along with everyone else. My opinion is if done correctly the coins will be just as safe in the album and anywhere else. Maybe not as safe as a slab but the album will not damage the coins as was being said if done correctly
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 Posted 03/28/2010  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, thank you for your comments.

I like CCF, but there is this "Dansco" WORSHIP idea that just really worries me.

If I have a $400 MS-63 coin, the LAST place I want to put it in is a Dansco album.

NOW, if I have a $400 G-4 Large Cent, then - ok - no problem - damage has already been done.

I think for any coins below F/?VF, you can use Dansco's.

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 Posted 03/28/2010  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AMFCook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Get real.


Is that really necessary?
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I guess this is what makes this hobby great, each person has their preference. When I look through my notes I have 5 coins that were over $1000.00 a piece and some multiple times that amount and probably 15 others worth over the $500.00 mark and all are over AU-50 grade, I guess I have no problem with them being in the album because that is the reason I bought the coins, for this specific album. I in no means am a Dansco worshiper but I am also not afraid of them either, But I do like the way they look. Its all according to what you like
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 Posted 03/28/2010  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can agree with both sides on this. My Lincoln and Roosevelt Danscos both house mint state coins in them and yes you have to be careful when you put the slides in because yes, they can get scratched. On my Walking Liberty Dansco, the coins are no where near a snug fit, so when the slides are being put in, there is no way to get the coins to stay in place. I love danscos, but I think they are better used when you are done with a set (no more upgrades) that way the coins are in there and the slides wont be moved for a long time.
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 Posted 03/28/2010  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pinenut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This slide business is why for my set of Washington's I've divvied up my list into consecutive groups of eight (that's how many quarters fit underneath one slide in my 7140). When I get those eight, I crack them out of wherever they have been (2x2, raw, slab) and pop them in following a procedure similar to Bryan's.

That said, I lack patience. And I find myself, like Kaybie, having to open the slides a few more than one time because looking at the coins in the album is far more enjoyable TO ME than looking at them in slabs.

Also, what hasn't been mentioned yet is the damage caused to coins by long term storage in 2x2s. Based on hat I've read here at CCF and my experiences at the coin shop, it definitely seems as if an active life for a coin in a 2x2 leads to significant damage.

Thought I would chime in with my Two Cents because both parties engaged in this debate bring up valid real points, but at the end of the day what really matters is what Bryan said, do what you feel is best. But I love looking through my partially filled DANSCOs and when they are done and full, I will feel a sense of accomplishment that I would not have felt if a had a box with a bunch of slabs in it.
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 Posted 03/28/2010  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excalibur -

WELCOME!

I like your idea of completing two sets. One XF/AU set and one MS slabbed set. I have cracked a few coins out of slabs for my 7070, but only one MS coin (and it was a 1962 quarter at MS-64 that I got for $7). I have had to do this to complete my set due to concern with counterfeits for certain series primarily.

But that said, I would not likely crack out a large number of high value MS coins to put in albums. Can you put them in a Dansco without scratching them? Yes. But you are adding a degree of risk there that may or may not be worth it depending on many factors. I personally don't worry about AU coins in my Danscos because AU coins have been around the block themselves once or twice and I think you'd have to be rather careless to scratch them badly. But even a little rub can turn an MS-64 into an AU-58.

In addition to my 7070 Type Set, I am also working on my Lincoln set in a 7100 album. I don't think I will ever press a 1909-S VDB into the slot in the 7100 however. If I ever do buy one, it will be in a slab and will probably stay in the slab. While I don't worry about putting an $8 BU "wheatie" from the 30's or even a $30+ early 30's BU wheatie in the album, I'm not sure I can see myself cracking out a $1500 coin for it.

But that's just my opinion...

Ken
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 Posted 03/28/2010  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AMFCook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, I couldn't agree more. To each his own. I prefer proofs from the Mint, and slabbed items from dealers I do business with regularly. I don't album collect. I've thought about it, and am looking at a set on ebay in a Dansco album, but haven't decided.

BTW, I looked at your link in your signature line, and your coins are very exceptional. Not sure how long you've had them in the album, but they look great.
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 Posted 03/29/2010  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read PCGS price guide (among others) and see there are very few Franklins at MS-63 worth anywhere near $100. And then there are several that demand slabbing.

Ideally, if your world were my world, we'd have a BU - MS Dansco and a set of slabbed MS64+; not MS-63+


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03/29/2010 07:51 am
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I appreciate the info Bryan, Thanks Again!
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 Posted 03/31/2010  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Sorry I kind of started this "back and forth" and have been offline for awhile. One of the guys I work with decided to get fired, so I've been working more than usual (and I am NOT complaining).

I am warmed by the "agree to disagree" feeling. I'm not trying to rock any boats.

Just make sure you know what you're doing if you put MS-XX coins in a Dansco/Whitman/Littleton/Intercept Shield album.

That's my point. :) :) :)
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