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I am responsible for imprisoning one of the few remaining 1909 S-VDB in the wild. This puppy has been a raw coin for over 100 years, but now rests securely in an ANACS slab. Some of you may have seen the post I made a while back about a 1909 S-VDB found in my granddad's collection that was returned fake. Well, this coin was found in one of his Dansco folders (not album/binder, but in a FOLDER -- ARGH!). The dealer shipped it off and it came back authenticated. It is VF-20 with details (and I mean DETAILS!). The label says But it's still the real thing. Enjoy the pics:  Can you see the VDB? It is definitely weak. But it is much more obvious now in the slab than before. It first I thought they handed me the wrong coin, it is so much easier to see the VDB now.     This pic is closer to the dark bronze color the coin has in hand. |
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It doesn't really look that bad from here.Where is the corrosion?
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Where is the corrosion? I don't know what they are referring to specifically. There is a patch of something rough in between the wheat stems that the photos don't really capture. I would be more concerned about the front of the coin which just looks glossy like it's been lacquered. I really think the coin looked worse before we sent it off -- we really had to angle the light just right to make out the VBD. Maybe the lighting in my house is just bad. |
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Again. I think ANACS is getting just too crazy. I don't recall ever seeing a description of a weak VDB. It either is or isn't.I'm sure they hit the grade for that as well.
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I think it looks nice! Is that damage on the rim above E TRUST? Or is it the slab?
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Is that damage on the rim above E TRUST? Or is it the slab? that's the slab. Quote:
I don't recall ever seeing a description of a weak VDB Well, there is a "weak VDB" die variety. It seems when the mint switched from VDB to non-VDB they just polished it out of the dies, and didn't always do a complete job. In fact, I've read that there are some 1910 weak-VDBs out there. I don't know if this "Weak VDB" designation means (1)this coin is the weak die variety or (2)that the VDB is worn on this coin or (3)ANACS doesn't know if it's (1) or (2) so we'll leave it up to you to decide. As a reference, see this old, completed ebay auction (which is not mine, but showed a similarly rated coin) : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...320470080048 |
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I think it's a nice looking coin.  I agree with Halfwitty, I don't see any corrosion either. The reverse looks even better than VF-20 to me, nice looking wheat heads, I would have thought it may make 30 anyway.  |
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 I guess this is one you have to see in hand. You have any pics of it before slabbing? I just don't see any corrosion and if cleaned it is an old one and has re-toned. Slabs, like make-up, can hide a lot of sins, though. I disagree with the grade, too. Maybe I am just in a bad mood.  Still, a great coin, and unless you can see something that does not show in the pics, I would send it off to PCGS for one more try. Jim |
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Nice coin, I like it. Quote:
Well, there is a "weak VDB" die variety. It seems when the mint switched from VDB to non-VDB they just polished it out of the dies, and didn't always do a complete job. In fact, I've read that there are some 1910 weak-VDBs out there. I don't know if this "Weak VDB" designation means (1)this coin is the weak die variety or (2)that the VDB is worn on this coin or (3)ANACS doesn't know if it's (1) or (2) so we'll leave it up to you to decide. FYI, this is from Hub design changes to occur in US minor coins (non-gold) of the 20th Century... http://users.scronline.com/lockem/20thcentury.txtSome dies of 1909 appear to have been made from hubs that had the V.D.B. filed off and mint employee correspondence exists to back up this observation. It is possible that a "filed" master hub was used for a long time after 1909... the 1910VDB cent is still a bit controversial at this time. |
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Very nice coin, I woild have though it deserved more than vf 20 for sure.
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Very nice. Congratulations! |
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United States
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It might be worth trying to send off for a cross grade to PCGS or NGC. It does look nicer than a VF20 to me as well.
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