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Unknown Coins Good Condition 3 Of Them!(Id: Brass "Evasive" Card Counter And Piedmont-Sardinia Coin)

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Here are two pictures sorry for the outside links I couldnt figure out how to shrink them. I found these coins in a stamp album (my grandparents owned a store in Long Island) Sorry about the Pic Quality (my first one!)

This is what I can tell from looking at the coin one side reads GLORGIVS III DEI GRATIA

Obverse Reads,

Y I ET FGRL S UF ST DS ..unknown...1701

Another reads the silver one

DEI GRATIA 1811 and a few other things I don't know how to type

The Last reads SAR CYP ET HIER CAR FELIX D G REX arround one side with a date of 1826 in the center.

The other side has no writing you can see the pics!


Please Help I'm a CRH that dosent know that much about foreign coins!

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The "pics" has only one picture in it - the reverse of 1811 coin.
Some European countries (and their colonies) had coins with legends in Latin.
"Dei Gratia" means "By the grace of God".
SAR CYP ET HIER CAR FELIX D G REX refers to Charles Felix (Carlo Felice Giuseppe Maria), the Duke of Savoy, Piedmont, Aosta and King of Sardinia (one of Italian kingdoms) from 1821 to 1831.

The 1811 coin on the picture looks like a Spanish colony coin (possibly Mexican), during rule of Ferdinand VII. Although it looks strange to me that the legend which is supposed to be on the obverse is on the reverse - I'd question the authenticity of the coin.

You'd get more helpful feedback if we could see both sides of each coin.
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Here's what happened when I tried to google Y I ET FGRL S UF ST DS:

Unknown-Coins-Good-Condition-3-Of-Them!Id:-Brass-





Edit: that coin (the 1st in your list) is questionable as well. I just scanned all monarchs (and submonarchs) of the era around 1701, and I didn't find any Georges III. The only one I know is the king of UK but he wasn't in the picture until 1760 as a ruler.
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Thanks ... that was the best laugh I had in a long time!
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Im sorry if you click on the picture it cycles through to the next one. All the coin pictures are in that album
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We don't have an access to your album
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Update, upon some looking I believe the 1701 coin is a British Guinea Token, because that monarch wasnt born then?

The 1826 coin I believe to be a 1 centinsimi coin from sardinia.

The 1811 coin I think might be Spanish/Mexican?

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I changed the settings it should be open content now
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OK, now I can see. About the "George III" piece. The picture is of the British king but it is not an "official" image, just an imitation. Appears to be a privet token. And I have no idea what the date 1701 is about.
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The facebook link is dead again, but here's what I can do for you, based solely on the descriptions:

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This is what I can tell from looking at the coin one side reads GLORGIVS III DEI GRATIA

Obverse Reads,

Y I ET FGRL S UF ST DS ..unknown...1701
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I believe the 1701 coin is a British Guinea Token, because that monarch wasnt born then?

This is a brass "evasive" card counter, designed to look like a George III "spade" guinea, a British gold coin. The wrong date and jumbled-up lettering are meant to give the manufacturer of the counters an excuse, if he happened to be arrested for counterfeiting: his counters were clearly fantasies and clearly different in design to a genuine guinea, and it wasn't his fault if crooks were going around trying to spending them. Some similar items can be found in this thread, this thread and described in this thread.


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Another reads the silver one

DEI GRATIA 1811 and a few other things I dont know how to type
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The 1811 coin I think might be Spanish/Mexican?

Unfortunately, there's not enough information there. I suspect it's British, or Spanish, but other European countries used those two Latin words on their coins as well.


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The Last reads SAR CYP ET HIER CAR FELIX D G REX arround one side with a date of 1826 in the center.

The other side has no writing...
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The 1826 coin I believe to be a 1 centinsimi coin from sardinia.

It certainly sounds like a coin of King Charles Felix of Piedmont-Sardinia, a pre-unification Italian state (the kings of Sardinia eventually became the kings of Italy). I assume it's copper? The size in millimetres can also help us identify it; 1 centesimo coins are 18mm, 2 centesimi are 22mm and 5 centesimi are 27mm across.
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