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The obverse appears to have an "open nostril" but not as severe as one I saw posted on VAMworld. If the open nostril is caused by die polishing, then maybe this is an early precurser to the one I saw. Also the upper lip has more of a "hook" to it (so it seems to me)more like a bird beak than a lip, and the first 8 in 1878 seems low in relation to the top of the other 8 when compared to the 7. On the reverse, there appears to be a die crack almost 360 degrees around the top of the lettering. I am I seeing things or is it so? I am new to VAMs and don't have the foggest on how to classify this if it is so. need help please, thannxz bob    |
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its a VAM-83 with High 1 or low 8 which ever you want to call it. there is only 2 B1 reverse 1878-P 7TF Morgans that the leaves aren't disconnected from the branch (VAM-83 and VAM-84) the VAM-83 has the High 1 in the date (or low 8) and the VAM-84 really has the nostril almost gone allot worse than yours and also has a dash under the first 8 in the date. Anyhow this one is the VAM-83
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Looks like VAM 132 to me mid to late die state. check for the gouge in the bonnet and a doubled E. |
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Quote:Looks like VAM 132 to me mid to late die state. check for the gouge in the bonnet and a doubled E. believe me its a VAM-83. look at the date |
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Not a 132 with that long arrow nock. VAM 83 for sure. Here's an eye progression checklist for 1878-P coins 1. Number of arrow feathers a. 8Tf b. 7/8 TF c. 7TF (go to #2) 2. parallel or slanted arrow feathers a. parallel (go to 3) b. slanted Rev of 79 (go to 4) 3. long nock/short nock a. long nock (see B1 rev VAMs) b. short nock (see if 'r' in trust is broken and 'o' in God is open) 4. determine if C1, C2, or C3 rev (rounded, fingerlike, square feather between eagle's right wing and leg) |
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WOW very nice peice Bryan. And Dave this is why John told me to wait LOL. I have alot to learn on the 78 types! Sorry for the miss ID Basicbob 101
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this is the missing nostril of the VAM-84    I know the dash is hard to see in these pictures but its all I have right now |
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Russ, It's only overwhelming if you don't have a systematic approach. With the exception of the 1921's, the 1878-P's have the most VAMs assigned. That has to be expected on a new start-up. There were lots of "improvements" made that year. Once you get used to the eye progression exercise, you'll be able to whittle that list of 230 VAms to a group of 20 to 15 in about 15 seconds. As you work with it more, you see specific PUPs that will nail it at a glance. This VAM 83 is one of those. I saw 7 parallel tail feathers and a long nock, plus a connected leaf and knew without even looking at the obverse that it was either an 83 or 84/84A. |
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I saw 7 parallel tail feathers and a long nock, plus a connected leaf and knew without even looking at the obverse that it was either an 83 or 84/84A. yep, what he said. That is why I tried to describe that it was a B1 reverse and since only 2 of them have the leaves intact it had to be one of those two and from there its just elimination between the two |
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where do the 79 reverse vams start? is it about 190 and above?
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Gene, The Rev of 79 starts at VAM 200. Here's the breakdown: 8TF - VAMs 1-23 7/8TF - VAMs 30-45 (Vams 30, 31, and 45 technically don't show any underlying tail feathers but they are in this group for VAM purposes) 7TF/Parallel arrow feather/long nock - VAMs 70-84 7TF/Parallel arrow feather/short nock - VAMs 100-198 7TF/Slanted arrow feather - VAMs 200-232 Footnote to my post on a system: The 134, 190-198 VAMs are lumped at the end of the 7TF parallel arrow feather reverses because they don't quite fit the cookie-cutter mold. If you see a polished nostil, broken 'D' in dollar in combo with a polished area between the eagle's right wing and body, look 190-198. Ya' know this all makes perfect sense to me because I do it every day. But when I try to explain it in words and re-read what I've written, that clarity turns to haze. I guess that's why I've never been much of a Tech writer. If you see something that doesn't make sense, please ask for clarification.  |
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WOW! you guys amaze me with your knowledge, dare I say you are the Howard Cosell of coins?
Seated Nut: what are PUPS?
does this coin warranted slabbing or not?
Thanksz for all the info. bob
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Thanks SeatedNut, I had them generalized, the list makes perfect sense, and puts things into a better light,,,Bob THE PUP'S means Pick Up Points, things that help you ID a VAM... |
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does this coin warranted slabbing or not?
Bob, I'd save your money. Although a nice coin, the VAM 83 is relatively common and won't command any premium. I recommend third party grading and attribution when the coin in question gets pricey or where there's a significant price jump between grades, i.e., the 1884-S. It's around $500 in AU-55 but jumps to $20K in MS 62. |
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Thanksz again for the info SeatedNut and AladinsLamp,
Will put it in my Dansco and that will fill that page,now I can start working the holes in the next!
Any chance (in anyone's opinion) this would grade out above MS60, no serious bag marks in the fields, good feathers on the breast, I dunno but maybe MS62?
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