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Edited by Bryan1315
06/29/2006 3:27 pm
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I have no idea, but then again, I'm no good with morgans.
andrew
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There are a few '83-CC die clash VAMs. What you've illustrated are some of the typical clash locations on Morgans; that's a nice one but not extraordinary in the grand scheme of Morgan clashes. A couple of points to research:
1) Is the line extending down/left from the neck (that's the wing above the "I" from "In") doubled or tripled? Sometimes multiple clashes happen.
2) Is there part of a clashed "n" near the neck, below the line from above? It could be pretty faint, and tough to see or photograph except from one specific light angle.
3) Look for evidence of the "st" in "trust" in/near the vee of hair northwest of the second right star.
Edited by SsuperDdave
06/30/2006 11:36 am
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yes it has the clashed "N" and that was what I was trying to photograph in the picture of the neck, and if you look at the one with the cap you will see clashing there also in the pictures. The biggest clash is in the leaves of the wreath which by looking at a clash meter (by lack of a better word) one of them that is clear plastic and shows the obverse and reverse of the morgan to see where clash marks could be, it is a clash of the lips that made the clashing there on the wreath and you can clearly see that one just by taking a photograph of the whole reverse, then there is the clash above the eagles wing (which didnt photograph well)which by looking at that guage it would have to be a clash from liberty's neck. I couldn't get the clash in the hair to come out as well but its there
Edited by Bryan1315
06/29/2006 10:09 pm
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It's the clashed letters and/or mintmark which end up designated as specific VAM's - for the most part, wreath and wing clashes are too common to warrant designation. The resources available at Ashmore should be enough to get you an attribution - be looking for 3A, 4A, 5A/B and 8A. |
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the line going from the neck isn't doubled and the ling line that I see is from the "wing" not the "I" from this clash guage. there is the clashed "n" there is the "st" clashing in the hair. But like I said that long line has got to be from the wing because it is just way ti long and streight to be from the I and no matter how I turn this guage can it align with the I. As far as I can tell from the update page it looks like the VAM-5 but there is alot more clashing on this one than it shows in the photo's. I do have a super clashed die book coming though maybe it will be more descriptive
Edited by Bryan1315
06/30/2006 11:45 am
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I have returned the coin back to my friend and told him he needs to hold onto it. He didnt even know what those marks were on the coin, he thought they were post mint damage and would bring the grade down
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Yeah, you're right about the wing clash - I thought I'd written it that way, but apparently not because I was fixated on the concept of the clashed "n."  It can be assumed that there will usually be lesser and greater degrees of clashing even on one specific clash incident - only the first batch of coins from a given clash will retain all of the detail. Eventually much of it will wear away, especially the incuse stuff, even if it isn't caught and polished down first. |
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Someone mention "Clash Meter" ? :)   |
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yep thats what I gots well actually mine aint a drawing  Edited by Bryan1315
07/06/2006 10:25 pm
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Posted 06/29/2006 8:52 pm
