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Squeeze Job Or Clashed Die?

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saw this on ebay and figured I would ask the experts what they think about this one, did it get a squeeze or is it really a clashed die http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...300001972956
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I have never seen one like that before....Looks cool
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in my opinion'squeeze job' altered coin ie: after it left the mint.lettering is backwards see;reverse STATES as seen on the obverse as Z3TATZ = STATES backwards.like would be seen in a mirror.in a photo such as in this auction there is that optical illusion which can make things that are below the surface of the object appear as though they are raised and vise <-> versa.in this auctions photos refer to: backwards 'N's and the backward 'D' at the end of UNITED can be made out.also clashed die would be mainly limited; on the obverse, to the field.it would not appear across the face; as on the obverse die would have incluse,(sunk into) area which after contact with the planchet leaves the relief (raised) face/bust area on a Lincoln Cent in this case.hope I haven't left out anything nor included to much...I've much yet to learn much more myself."happy 'coin' hunting"
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I also thought it was a squeeze job, but figured since he had in his auction it was a clash I would give him the benefit of the doubt and ask others that are familiar with the series which I certainly am not
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I've been trying to find out for the last hour if images and lettering should show up normal or mirrored from clashed dies. It seems like they should be mirrored. If the dies are negative to begin with-(incuse/ mirror)then when they strike each other the imparting images should be Positive or as you would see it on a coin. Then, it would seem, when those dies with those images strike a planchet those images should then show up reversed or mirrored.

However I don't believe this is a clashed die error or any other kind of error. The dead give away is the Memorial Pillars across Lincoln. The raised parts you see on a coin are cavities in the die. It's hard to believe that those Pillar images would make it into the cavities. It doesn't even seem mechanically possible. Clashed dies typically impart outlines from the edges of the cavities or images that are very shallow.



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yes thats the main way to tell, if its a clashed die the area's will be raised instead of valleys
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longnine009, and to all whom this concerns... sorry for the confusion. I do apologize. I was wrong letters(and others devices) on a clashed do appear backwards (as though mirrored).no excuses I made a mistake.not my first most likely not my last.my intention was to be of help...not hindrance."I've much yet to learn much more myself"
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It looks like a clashed die. IF it was a squeeze wouldnt the letters in LIBERTY be indented like the other coin was being inprinted into this coin. I really dont know much about this but its just my insight.
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well, Liberty is on the obverse so that side is correct, its the reverse picture over the obverse picture is what we are talking about and if you look closely the Lincoln Memorial is not raised its going into the metal
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Ok I didnt really look at the obverse. It is probably a squeeze becuase its indented and not raised
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I just looked at the auction and someone told the guy it isn't a clashed die and that it is a squeeze job. THe seller even said it is most likely fake and he will let the auction run
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What is the difference between a clash and a squeeze? (And I'm not talking about lovers' quarrels.)
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Diane, a die clash happens when the two dies strike each other with nothing in between them,this leaves some of die's devices impressed upon one another.[at the mint] then when a planchet is struck between these clashed dies the coin struck shows some of the reverse devices on the obverse and/or some of the obverse devices on the reverse sometimes just the obv. is affected, some others only the rev. is affected. a squeeze is a homemade impression being squeezed onto a coin like in between a vice using two coins,or sometimes two coins will be stacked upon each other then struck with a hammer thus leaving the impreesion of one coin upon the other.[at home vs.the mint]
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Well I found a coin like this in my change, although a different date. It had the same indents - and it was deemed a squeeze job. Can someone post a pic of an actual clash because all I have seen have been proven fakes.
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Classic faked squeeze job.
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although not a cent this morgan shows clashing on the reverse in the leaves of the wreath from the libs on the obverse and you can clearly see its raised and not indented like you see on coins that have been squeezed together

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