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Unethical Or Just Clever Business?

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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I go to a coin shop every once in a while and a couple times I have seen a guy buy 100 Ike dollars. The store sells them at $1.10. I look on craigslist for coins and have seen Ike dollars for sale at $2 each and I suspect the guy is just reselling what he buys at the coin store for a 80% markup. I want to call him on this, but am not sure he is really in the wrong. What do you guys think?
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add needgames4lyfe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hes just doing buisness - people should look around before buying
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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unethical or just clever business?


Neither. It's normal business.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree,

Although I tried to sell about 100 of them on craigslist and had no luck, gave up and put them on ebay. I assure you that its not that easy

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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bet the coin shop has more than 80% markup on most of his stock to....
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just good business IMO. The coin shop marks up the price a bit over what it paid, turns them over asap. Many coin shops rely as much on high turnover as markups, in order to have cash on hand for their next purchases.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, though only 10% on the Ikes I guess. I wonder why the shop doesn't charge more. Guess this guy is the only one buying them.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed...neither clever nor unethical. If it's the same guy, he's just doing simple buying and selling. He's free to do this and he is free to put whatever asking price he wants. If he were to put a price of $1.50 on them, it's no different IMO. The coin shop has the option of asking $2.00/each in the shop or $2.00/each by placing an ad on Craigslist, but he chooses to price them low so he can turn them faster. It wouldn't be clever or unethical either if the guy on Craigslist bought them from another collector or direct from the bank at face value with the intention to resell them for a profit, even with a 100% markup.

Business has been done this way since the beginning of humans doing transactions. Buy at one price, sell at a higher price and make a profit...nothing new here. :)
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How is that unethical? It's not like they're lemon-cars. People will pay what they're willing to pay.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, but isn't that what all the rolls of wheats on ebay are doing? And we trash those guys all the time.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afcop13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we trash those guys for the wording of the ads. They mislead people with ads that state these were Grandma's coins and they are unsearched, or its some treasure trove they've uncovered in an old house's attic, etc. But almost always, is the catch of unsearched, which we know is probably total BS. And other times they place a semi-key or key on an end with the hype that the roll may contain a $1000 coin. Of course it may - but then again, it may not.

Me..........I say buyer beware. When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. You know, personal responsibility. Unfortunately, society has moved away from that concept and everyone needs to be protected from their own stupidity.

I bought $15 in Eisenhowers at face value from a bank and sold them on ebay for over $39. Capitalism - supply/demand. The ad was straight forward, didn't lead anyone to believe there'd be anything other than normal Eisenhowers and still it ended up in a bidding war.

I applaud the guy for his ability to turn a buck and pad his own income in hard times.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ok, but isn't that what all the rolls of wheats on ebay are doing? And we trash those guys all the time.


HUGE difference if I am understanding what you are comparing it to. I am guessing you are comparing it to those that sell "unsearched" rolls or rolls with a better coin showing on the end of the roll, but knowing the rest are garbage dates. If the guy on Craigslist is selling them strictly as Ike dollars at $2.00/each, he's not making any false claims or tricky advertising hoping to lure suckers in.

Edit: afcop beat me to it on the same points...lol.
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04/23/2010 12:56 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2010  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afcop13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinhunter - just glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
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 Posted 04/23/2010  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem afcop. I know there are alot of unscrupulous sellers out there...on ebay, at coin shows, on Craigslist, at coin shops, etc. There are also alot of good sellers out there. I don't know if this particular Craigslist guy is one or the other, but from the information presented, I don't see him doing anything wrong.

I guess it's a bit bothersome that alot of posters on here seem to have issues with people who buy and sell coins to make a few bucks. I've seen all too many posts on this forum like this one where someone's buying and selling activities are questioned and I personally don't get it. It's not a knock on nod2003 by any means...I've done biz with him and he's a good guy. It's just in general I see enough posts that question what are likely honest people trying to make a little extra money, and I don't get it.

One thread from recent memory that comes to mind involved the guys from the show Pawn Stars. Some here ripped them for their biz practices, but I honestly don't see anything wrong with what their business is doing or the margins they are working with when many of the companies that people on this forum work for rely on even bigger margins. Those same companies that pay people's paychecks every week or bi-weekly. It seemed hypocritical to me for people to gladly accept their payroll checks but then turn around and criticize a small family owned business for making similar or smaller margins.

Anyway...I've said enough....lol.
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04/23/2010 2:09 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2010  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see anything wrong with it either, especially since he is getting them from a coin shop in the first place. If people are willing to buy Ikes at $2 a pop when it's clear that they are common clad etc, then great. It would be different if he was reselling them as silver when they were clad, or something of that nature.

I think you will make one of the largest profits percentage-wise on this forum when/if you decide to sell your dateless 16 slq that you paid melt for; and certainly no one will criticize you for that...:-)
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Heh, maybe I should buy all the coins first and sell them for less. Might have to give it a try.
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