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I bought a 1822 Capped Bust Half yesterday. Written on the cardboard inside the plastic flip was 1922 O-114 R-3. I have done a little research and learned that the 0-114 stands for the die variety but I cannot find what the R-3 means. Does anyone have more info on the O-114 and the R-3? Like what makes it a O-114? Edited by Wornslick 04/25/2010 6:53 pm
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The R3 stand for it's rarity.
The rarity scale is R-1 to R-8, with R-1 being common and R-8 being unique. Your R-3 is scarce. According to Overton the 1822 O-103 is considered R-5. The O-103 is the variety # for this coins year, 1822 has 15 different varieties. If you can post a picture of your come, we should be able to confirm the variety.
Edited by echizento 04/25/2010 6:17 pm
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Edited by Wornslick 04/25/2010 6:44 pm
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O-114 is rated at R-3, the pictures a too small to be able to see any of the details of this variety. From what I can see I would grade it at VF-20 maybe 25.
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Looks like an attractive VF to me too. Attractive 1822's are not all that easy to find, either.
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Thanks for the info. I am very happy with the 1822, it's my first Capped Bust.
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O-114 is the Overton Number and the R3 is the rarity factor of the variety. It can go from R-1 for very common varieties to R-8 for super rare varieties
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So what makes a O-114 a O-114? Is there something on the coin that sets it apart from the other Overton varietys?
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You can't just have one, your hooked now! 
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As mentioned R-3 is the rarity. An R-3 means there are from 201 to 600 pieces estimated to still exist. The Sheldon Rarity Scale runs as follows
R-8 1 - 3 Known Near unique R-7 4 - 12 known Extremely Rare R-6 13 - 30 Known Very Rare R-5 31 - 75 Known Rare R-4 76 - 200 Estimated Scarce R-3 201 - 600 Estimated Not so Common R-2 601 - 1500 Estimated Common R-1 Over 1500 Very Common
As to what makes your coin an O-114, every die back then was hand produced by hubbing in the central device and then hand punching all the letters, numbers, and stars into the die. The different dies are identified by examining the differing positioning of the various features compared to each other and the pairing of the different die make up the differeent varieties. The 1822 there are 14 different obv dies and 14 different rev dies mated into 15 different pairings (Rev B comes paired with two different obv and Obv 12 comes paired with two different rev.) If you look at the seventh star on the obv (stars are numbered from bottom left as 1 clockwise around to 13 at bottom right) it should point at the front edge of the cap where it joins the headband. There are 7 obv like this. On O-103, 111, and 115 the star point is well away from the cap. On 108 and 109 it is touching or imbedded in the cap. That leaves 107 and 114. Hold the coin so the fist 2 in the date is upright. On 107 the left edge of the hair curl is right of center of the 2. On 114 the left edge of the hair curl is just right of the left edge of the SECOND 2 in the date. That obv only comes with Rev M. On Rev M if you hold the C in 50 C upright the end of the stem above it comes even with the inside left edge of the C. All other rev dies have the stem further to the left.
OK, now I've looked at the image and it is NOT an O-114. The curl over the date matches 107 not 114. So lets look at the Rev (something I usually do first.) On the rev one thing I like to look at is the position of the I in PLURIBUS below the T. On your coin it is centered below the left foot. That matches rev A, C, F, G, J, K, and M. Then I look at the E below the D in UNITED. On yours it is centered below the left edge of the upright of the D. That eliminates A, and G. Next I look at the left upright of the second M in UNUM. On your it looks like it is to the left of the center of the right foot of the A. That matches C and J. Hmmm elimination of F got rid of O-107. Rev C comes with Obv 4 (O-104)on which star 7 does not point at the junction of the cap and headband. So much for that one. That leaves Rev J which comes with Obv 11 (O-111)and there is nice separation between the star point and the cap, and the position of the curl over the 2 fits as well. I'd say you have an O-111 an R-2 coin.
Edited by Conder101 04/27/2010 12:56 pm
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Wow Conder101, thanks for the great info and the lesson on this. To give you an idea about what I know, when you said, "On the rev one thing I like to look at is the position of the I in PLURIBUS below the T. On your coin it is centered below the left foot" I kept looking at the Eagles feet. Then I firgured out that you were talking about the letter. After looking at the coin and what you described, I saw exactly what you were talking about. So does this affect the price of the coin? I really like the coin so I guess it doesn't really matter. Maybe the guy I bought it from made a mistake in grading it or he bought it this way and didn't check it out. I know one thing, I got alot to learn!! And thats why I am here. Thanks again. echizento- You are exactly right! This coin is all I have been talking about at work for the past 2 days. 
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BTW, one more question. Should I leave the coin in the plastic flip or put it in a 2X2? I thought I read somewhere on this forum that plastic was not good for coins.
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Very cool coin - nice pickup. I can see why you've been talking it up the past couple of days. I think of these coins and the history behind them, what was going on in the world in 1822, etc., and am amazed that we get to hold these wonderful pieces of history. Congrats.
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I hear you afcop13, I think about the same things. That is one of the most interesting things about this hobby. "Where has this coin been, and who has held it"
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Does it affect the price? No because it is still a common variety. If it had turned out to be an O-103 or an O-112 or even an O-102 it would have made a difference. (112 is an R-4 and you pretty much have to be at least an R-4 before they start commanding a premium over type coin prices. The 103 would be an R-5 and would definitely have been worth a premium. The 102 would have been an R-4 but would have had the additional plus of being an overdate, and overdates tend to have greater demand.)
I don't blame you for talking about it. It isn't rare or expensive but it is just a really nice eye appealing coin. Of every thing you got, the 1822 half is the piece I like the best. I would be excited if I owned it as well. (of course I'm a bit biased since I don't care that much for moderns, meaning those pieces made after 1836 and the introduction of the steam press.)
And I would rather see it in a 2X2 than a vinyl flip, just in case the flip is PVC with plasticizers.
Edited by Conder101 04/28/2010 10:55 am
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Thanks to all for the info about this coin. As soon as I saw it I knew that I was going to buy it. There was a few more Bust's available but they look cleaned to me and when I asked the sellers about that they said that they did not clean them, but that they looked cleaned to them also. One guy told me that most coins around that time period were lightly cleaned. I don't know about that. I am getting ready to put it in a 2X2. 
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