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Problems With Bust Half Fitting In 7070

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 Posted 05/04/2010  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was up for auction a week or so ago in the auction section here. Its an 1818 O-114 R3. Here is the link to it. Wish the pics were still up but indian1 had already deleted them before I got a copy. I will try to take some pics.

Johnny, I am trying to get it to fit into the lettered edge slot.

Here is the link to the auction.

https://goccf.com/t/63576


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take a short stack of (3 to 5) other CBH and stick this coin in the middle and see for yourself if this coin is of a larger diameter, which is my bet.


It the only bust I own....
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 Posted 05/04/2010  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halfwitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A caliper would probably help with all the questions or perhaps the bust of that coin is too large?
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 Posted 05/04/2010  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems strange. It should go right in. Mine (1821) slid right in, not loose or to tight. I don't know if it helps but here is a pic of mine. You can see it did not pinch the outer cover. Mine is VF maybe VF+. All the edge lettering is there, not worn.



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Seems strange. It should go right in. Mine (1821) slid right in, not loose or to tight. I don't know if it helps but here is a pic of mine. You can see it did not pinch the outer cover. Mine is VF maybe VF+. All the edge lettering is there, not worn.


Nice! that picture leaves me wanting to see more.
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 Posted 05/05/2010  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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what you well could have is an anomaly called an oversized planchet. If so, the coin belongs in a slab rather than an album. CBH oversized planchets do exist, but are rare and very highly sought after.

No such thing as an oversized planchet bust half. Planchet are punched with punches of a given size, they don't create oversized blanks. Then if there was an oversized blank it would have been caught at the Castaining machine where the lettered edge was applied. It would not have fit between the edge dies. But the coins DO vary in diameter for the reaso that Biokemist said, they were struck in an open collar and an unusally strong strike could cause the coin to expand further than normal.

The album manufacturers don't make the holes on the early coins large enough to fit ANY coin, but they are large enough to accept MOST coins. Every now and then an unusually wide one comes along that won't fit in them, but most often the problem is the coins rattle around loose in the hole.
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 Posted 05/06/2010  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the clarification Conder. I couldn't get very good pictures of the coin but with a little work of a razor blade on the cardboard I was able to get the coin to pop into the hole. It definitely was a very tight fit. Here are a few sub par pics of it I was able to get with my blackberry camera.

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 Posted 05/06/2010  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gosh, that's a pretty one AGC!

I think the requests for pictures were to show the relation of the coin to the hole, but nonetheless, you've shown us a beaut! =)
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No such thing as an oversized planchet bust half.



Good grief, whatever you want to call it, oversized coin, big half dollar, large diameter fifty cent piece, jumbo half, etc, etc. "Oversized planchet" is the term that I encounter more than any other, so that is the term I used. I am not going to argue about semantics. I have an 1814 CBH hat is more than 1/16" larger diameter than most, and I have seen such examples in other collections. There IS such a thing, despite method of creation, and as they are out of the ordinary, they command premiums.
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O-114 R3. I remember this coin
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 Posted 05/06/2010  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fake?
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fake?


I dont believe its fake, just the planchet was either a bit larger or the 7070 hole was a bit small. Either way, was a bit difficult to get it into the slot.
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