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How Can You Detect Nickel Mint Errors

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How can you detect 1944 Nickel and 1946D Silver (Mint errors)?
Is there any other way to check the silver content without rubbing on the black stone?
Option: to check by weight, can anybody tell me the weight of Silver nickel?
It is not in Red Book (2005), nor in KM 2010.
Another option: I notice that the diameter of Silver Nickel is 21.22 mm, while newer Nickel is 19.53 mm. Nobody stated the diameter of mint errors.
Anybody knows about it?
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Presuming that you are talking about US coins here, the 1944 nickel should be 35% silver and the 1946D should not have any silver. Both should weigh 5.0 grams, and be 21.2 mm diameter, not 19.53 mm. I would advise against rubbing any coins on a stone, regardless of color. If you could get photos of the coins, we may be able to be more help.
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I think he means. If there are mint errors. 1944 nickel, when it should be the 35% silver.
or a 1946 that is 35% silver but should be nickel but, by error is the 35% silver.

Similar situation to a 1943 copper Lincoln Cent or a 1944 zinc.

And if there are .. how would he tell the difference
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That is a tough one since weight and diameter are the same. Perhaps the thickness is different, but I doubt it since they wanted the War Nickels to work in the vending machines. There is a device that can scan metal items and tell you what metals it is made of, but last I heard, they cost about $30,000. I will try to remember to bring my only War Nickel to work tomorrow and see if it has a different electrical resistance then a regular nickel.
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I wonder.
On my metal detector. It gives a reading, that allows me to tell the different between a zinc Lincoln and a copper Lincoln. Or a silver dime and clad dime. I never tried it on a nickel and War Nickel.

I would give it a try .. but the only War Nickels I have are in the dansco .. and don't really want to take one out.
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Mine is also in my Dansco, but it is just a filler and have my nicer replacement in a 2x2 this afternoon, so I will try the multimeter on it.
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Goldrush58, that is exactly what I meant.
US Mint errors!
Those sizes are in the Red Book, but doesn't stated the mint errors.
logically, it should be same as the regular coins. It called as a Mint mistake. The 1944 Nickel should be 12.22 and the 1946 Silver should be 19.53. But I am not sure. Nod2003, I can't send any photo, I don't have the above named coins. I wish I have. Please check KM Catalog, after 1945, the size of Nickel reduced to 19.53. It doesn't mentioned in the Red Book.
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I can tell you from personal experience that the US nickel has not changed size, so I am wondering if the error nickel you are talking about is stamped on a silver dime planchet instead of a silver War Nickel planchet. If that is the case, then the weight should equal that of a silver dime at only 2.5 grams and be extremely thin. I must admit that I do not know of such an error, just what might be theoretically possible.
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I agree with nod2003, as far as RedBook. it list both nickels as 5 grams, and both at 21.2mm diameter.
When I read the 2010 read book page 130, it pretty much says nickels are the same diameter and weight,
but with different compositions between (1938-1942, 1946 to date) and (1942-1945).

To me it would only be logical that a wrong blank could have been tossed in, on the wrong year.
But I have never heard of one. But I am no nickel expert.

I like to think I can tell just by looking, most of the time. If there are 10 nickels laying there I can pick out the War Nickel. They have a different look. IMO
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I personally check the diameter of newer nickels with my Caliper. They all 21.22 mm. Nod2003 is right, KM Catalog wrong!

Back to Mint Errors, besides 1943 Penny; 1944, 1946 D Nickel; 1970 D Quarter; 1971 D, 1977 D Half, any one knows any others (Modern coins only)?
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I;m assuming from the piece you mention you are talking about transition errors when the metal content changed and was used on a date/mint of the wrong year. There are several more 1964 clad dime, quarter, and half, 1965 silver dime quarter and Half, 1983 copper cents, 1974-D and 1977-D 40% silver Ike dollars, Copper nickel clad 2000 Sac dollars, 1999 SBA on manganese bronze clad planchets.
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Hi Samuel,

You asked me about using metal detectors in another thread and I said I'd get back to you here. I just did a few tests on some regular Jeff's and a War Nickel. The detector I am using is a Minelab Explorer XS, although I suspect other good detectors would give similar results.

The War Nickel had a higher sounding tone than the normal nickels. Basically the higher the tone the more conductive the metal. So silver and copper (and clad coins) have higher tones and nickel, gold, platinum, and iron have lower sounding tones. While the tone was a bit higher on War Nickels it was still very much in the nickel range (you'd never mistake it for a silver dime). I noticed some variation within normal nickels, with a shiny new nickel sounding similar to my rough looking War Nickel (I didn't want to pop one of my nicer ones out of its holder, but I'm positive it would sound the same or a bit higher).

I think this would work as a method of telling silver War Nickels from regular ones of the same date. But you would need some controls. Basically some nickels you are sure are the standard nickel alloy and War Nickels that you are positive are silver. You just need them to wave in front of the detector to tune your ear to the difference each time you have nickels to test. The difference between a regular nickel and a War Nickel is subtle compared to the full range of tones a detector makes, but there definitely is a difference.
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Thank you for the replies from Conder101 and Saruma.
It turn out that there are many Mint errors that is not recorded by KM, nor Red Book. Fortunately, most of them are easier to identify. Just the Nickel Silver and Nickel Nickel is very hard to detect. Thanks to Saruma, it can be detect without damaging the coin. I think this is the best. I have to test it my self one day.
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