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1942/1 Not Sure?

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It doesn't look like it, but doesn't look PMD. And there's also a ghost number next to the 4?

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 Posted 05/08/2010  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dunno. Usually 2/1 look like the date is 19412. But again, I dunno.
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I don't think it is. It doesn't look like the picture in the Red Book. It looks like the 1942-D had a similar, but less prominent variety.
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No, this is not an overdate. It's a good example of hub-doubling, I believe. I've seen a number of these examples among 1941-44 Mercury dimes in particular; and, various PD&S mints. Some coin books, like the Red Book, illustrate the overdate varieties quite well, that you may compare. I do believe that Spadone listed examples of some hub-doubled Mercuries in his books. They are considered minor errors in comparison to the overdates which are major errors. Hub-doubled coins appear to present letters/numbers atop one another - like steps - a tiered effect. While not highly valued, such examples are respectable additions for those who study and collect errors. I've also seen a number of Buffalo nickels having this characteristic; mostly high-grade, earlier Philadelphia issues.
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It is actually a machine ( strike) doubling, and no hub doubling in the making of the working ( striking die). Type I doubled die is hub doubling, such as in the 1955/55. Machine Doubling occurs because of movement of the working die as the striking has completed, and is not considered to be a mint error or a variety. Seen as a flattened shelf like outline, with no doubling of the serif or device. Spadone did make some identifications as varieties and doubled dies, which really weren't, and Machine Doubling was often identified as true doubling.

Also although the term "overdate" is often used in referring to the 1942/1 Mercuries, 1914/3 Buffalo and others, they are actually Type III doubled dies where 2 different design hubbings were used to make the working die. Thus the working die was first hubbed one year hub and then after annealing was hubbed by mistake with the second year. This also happened on the 1960 DDO D/D Lincoln that was hubbed with one time a small date and the other time with the large date design. Overdates did occur in the far past when the dates were handpunched.

Jim
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what desertgem said.

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Thanks all!
It's to be a on going learning experience.
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Hello ExoGuy

Welcome to the forum and also for the informative post.

I agree this is not a 2 0ver 1 Merc.
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