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I'm not really interested in it's actual grade, so much as I'm interested in knowing how the marks affect the grade. So, if you would, rather than just throwing out MS6x, tell me how you came to the number.

On the obverse, there is a small (I guess it's small) scratch/gash on his chin, and I would like to know how the marks aound the date and above IGWT affect the grade.

The reverse pic is a little blurry, sorry, but there are similar marks on the top left of the shield, and a scratch between the stars above the first L in DOLLAR.

Thanks for your help!

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From bestcoin dot com slash grading

MS 64 - This is the grade where prices in many series begin to increase dramatically. For this reason the coin will begin to show fewer marks and the strike will be the strongest yet. No primary distractions that will draw your eye. A near-gem coin with just a few tiny marks or weakness in strike to keep it from a higher grade.

MS 65 - This is the gem category. Coin should be fully struck with eye appeal. Either brilliant or toned but there should not be any unsightly marks or color that negates eye appeal. Any marks should be very minor in appearance. Prices spread out even further.

MS 66 - A coin that just jumps out at you as being nicer than an MS 65. The main devices on either side should have no more than very minor ticks and the fields should be cleaner than that of an MS 65.
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Is this why I hear people say a coin with marks like this one can never grade above MS63?
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j_h_s, those descriptions, particularly those about the strike, do not agree with ANA grading standards. An MS64 coin can be weakly struck. An MS65 "coin must have a fairly sharp strike (but not necessarily a completely full strike)." (6th edition, page 21).

Scooby, coins with marks like that are often given an MS-64 grade. That's what I'd give it.




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Thanks Steve, grading MS coins are tough to me. I think I have a tendency to lean more to the stricter side and need to loosen up a bit. When I watch other grading threads on here, I try to grade before I look at any of the other answers, and I always seem to be on the low side.
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Well, I'm certainly no expert. It could also be an MS63 or MS65. :)

To me, MS62 down to MS60 can be ruled out...it would have a lot more hits, the strike could be lousy, or have bad eye appeal as you get to 61 and 60.

If there's a rub on the side of his face, it could be AU58.

So there is some process of elimination, just like the game you've been hosting.

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Steve, I am aware the generalizations of standard I posted are not globally applicable. They are a start for starters.

With research and experience, collectors will learn that MS includes years/issues of weak strikes, etc. Then they'll learn how to apply MS standards....e.g., the 1922 D LWC needs a more expansive evaluation than, "beautifully and well-struck."

At the end of the day, the coin scooby posted is probably MS64; that's my grade; that's your grade; and we (and the coin) are in line with the description I cited.

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