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But they speak a slightly different English in the UK... No seriously... this is 100% fantasy since it was produced sometime in 1999-2000.
Looks good though.
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Canada
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I wouldnt buy any of this crap in the least. and to think people are bidding on it. I dont know why ebay doesn't get the crow bar out,open their wallets, and pay someone to watch for this stuff a little more dilegently. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...70221646&ru=http://shop.ebay.com:80/%3F_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=200470221646&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1 |
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Canada
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Wow... What I cannot figure out is why do people buy this crap?! If no one would buy it people would stop selling!
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United States
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I would not buy this either
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Does eGarbage remove them if reported? The seller is trying to deceive, they are just hoping "pattern" doesn't register with the uninformed like "replica" would. Get the sellers email and post it for the spam-bots or email the seller and tell them what kind of human you think they are and why.
Cheers
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Canada
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Im going to report it after the fact.
You should see all the crap this piece of work is selling.
Edited by Dollar1948
05/18/2010 8:14 pm
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I would assume this seller genuinely does not know the difference between "fantasy pattern" (the usual terminology for such coins) and mint patterns. Look down the left side of their listing and you'll see "patinas and patterns" as a store category. CLick on it and you'll find two pages of fantasy patterns from all over the world, with not a genuine "pattern" among them. I've never heard "patina" used in this sense of "fantasy coin" before. They seem to have derived their terminology (and most of their fantasy patterns) from a Spink auction of fantasies in 2001, which Spink apparently gave the flowery title of "The Patina Collection" - I don't know for sure, since Spink's online database only goes back to 2002. They seem to be an arts-and-crafts store dealing in coins on the side. I wouldn't know (and since the seller is in the UK, they wouldn't know either) - does Canadian law prohibit the selling of things that look like they might have been patterns for Canadian coins, but are actually complete fantasies? Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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@Sap, yes the law is quite clear. They are prohibited. Unfortunately for the seller ebay will enforce their agreement with Canuck law enforcement and pull the sale/s. I have mixed feelings about this since they are obviously not replicas of anything at all.(I didn't report it). While clearly illegal in Canada according to the verbiage of the law, I don't think this kind of thing was really what they are after when they wrote that law. Who would imagine that it would be so easy to pump out fantasy coins of this quality way back when? |
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The guys a scammer plain and simple - no need to debate it.
From his auction: "Reverse feature(s) the Indian in the 'Voyageur' canoe design adopted for Canadian dollars many years later." Considering this was for a FAKE REPLICA of a 1937 he is wrong in that 1) 1935 is the correct date so many years later is wrong. 2) Considering is this modern he should state many years before.
I know very little about coins - just starting out. Coins are part of his business. These above simple facts show he should be driven out of business because he is either incompetent (unlikely) or trying to deceive. More garbage in and the more confusing the hobby is the more new people will stay away from it.
"Collateral damage", "patina", "fantasy coin"... and any other euphemism is garbage. Get rid of the junk terms or you will end up killing your own hobby/investments. It is a FAKE and I would correct anyone who used any other euphemism.
If the average person who knows nothing or very little about coins could be fooled it is a FAKE and thus the law should apply. If you want a "fantasy coin" put a unicorn on it and say it's from Mars - not Canada- and date it from 20,567.
Edited by realpenny
05/18/2010 9:17 pm
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Canada
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There was a series of these fantasy coins made in the 60s or 70s, I believe, with the obverse of Edward VIII. They exist for Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and several other commonwealth countries. They were made by a prominant English firm, (again, going by my recollection from a while ago). They are complete fantasies- things that might have been. As far as I know, they have not been considered illegal, as long as they are promoted for what they are. If they are promoted as actual coins or patterns for coinhs of the countries issued, that becomes a case of fraud.
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Pillar of the Community
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^^^ Yup, the Spinks Patina Collection consisted of all kinds of fantasy pieces and went on sale a few years back... I'm assuming it was after his death. He was employed by The Royal Mint at some point and his designs were varied and plentiful. I got one for $11Cdn, because I liked it(so goes my entire collection!) and I have no real interest in this type of collecting... a medallion really. I 'spose most folks here quickly identify these items for what they are... whatever that word would be. The sellers, rather than the medals themselves, are the concern here. I'll see if I got a decent pix of mine... maybe someday it'll be worth 11 bucks! woohoo  >>> edit >>>   Edited by IBGolden
05/28/2010 9:37 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The strike on that 'medallion' is phenominal.
I guess what really is the determining factor if it warrants discussions if its trying to be passed of as genuine is if there was a denomination on it.
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^^^ Yeah, the ones I've seen have no denomination (as well as the above examples) on them. They came in Sterling Silver, Bronze and Copper varieties.
So, with no denomination, and no circulation(or collector or otherwise) counterpart... I don't see a problem with these, ahem, tokens. The problem is calling these things patterns... officially produced by mints as trial pieces. The Spinks pieces are not mint produced patterns. So selling them as such ain't really the rite thing to do. Patterns are listed in my Charlton and are big $.
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Canada
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The one dollar "pattern" had one dollar on it... thus my concern.
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