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 Posted 05/23/2010  10:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coins92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

I believe this coin has been cut out of a problem slab and is now being sold as problem free. Tricky.
http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...src=pr#Photo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl..._2753wt_1139
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 Posted 05/23/2010  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverTurtle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think so. To the right of the middle arrow of the reverse is a mark that appears on both auctions.

Also, there is a mark to the right of Liberty in the field on the Obverse.
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05/23/2010 10:47 am
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This is maybe a dumb question but did they make cameo proofs of that coin?
Good eye. You'd have to ask yourself why a coin so old that looks so good (way too good) can have spots like that.
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It looks like the same coin to me, notice the speck and hairline below the shield on the reverse. It appears they are trying to sell a cleaned proff as original...the lighting set-up they are using also washes out many of the hairlines on the obv.
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 Posted 05/23/2010  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same coin. I will say, though, the top set of pics (the darker ones) pretty plainly represent the hairlines. This one is "buyer beware;" there's ample photographic warning.
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 Posted 05/23/2010  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leprecoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is, no doubt
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 Posted 05/23/2010  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And this guy is a top rated seller, sad.
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I let the seller know that I was on to him and nicely suggested he represent the coin in a honest manner weather or not he listed the coin with good pics or not, so he is now aware that the coin was cleanedvif he did not know already.
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 Posted 05/23/2010  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

He also has a 1911 Barber Half that has the same appearance. I wonder if that one was removed from a slab also.
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 Posted 05/23/2010  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mean, I have no problem with people occasionally cracking out supposed 'problem' coins and selling them as problem free if its blatantly obvious that the TPG was just being excessively harsh (http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...&Lot_No=7541 for example) but most of the time that isn't the case. Most of the time its guys like this that purposefully find coins that DO have legitimate problems and crack them to sell them for more with deceptive photography. And in a case where the TPG has been excessively harsh, I dont feel its necessary to mention that you cracked it out of a problem slab, because that will bias buyers towards paying less for the coin even if its fine. Its certainly a very thin line to walk, so I suppose it depends on the seller; look for a pattern of crackouts of blatantly problem coins and deceptive pics. Has anyone checked this guy's other auctions yet?
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