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1797 Cartwheel, How Do You Grade It

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 Posted 05/24/2010  11:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Other side is much better than this side.
paid 2,5 Quids to it from ebay.
What grade do you think?

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 Posted 05/24/2010  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
molydeii- We will need to see the reverse of this coin as well in order to make a fair assessment, but I would grade the Britannia side as being G-6.
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 Posted 05/24/2010  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add needgames4lyfe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the G-6. However, without the reverse, there is no way to finalize the grade since both sides are required for an accurate grade
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 Posted 05/24/2010  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add argentumandcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A UK Poor/Fair depending on the grader. I would grade it as Poor.
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 Posted 05/24/2010  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UK Fair is equal to US G-6 I think.
Yes, that's fair grading, you're right.
They say "ask five dealers about teh condition of a coin and you'll get six different answers".
I love cartwheels though. I have a very very worn one too :)) It's amusing to read about them and see how many different uses they had. (like weights to put on dead people's eyes)
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 Posted 05/24/2010  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add declanwmagee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got to have more arm to get anything other than Fair, really
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molydeii- Yeah, the arm and other details of Britannia are pretty weak, but what is interesting is that the lettering of the legend seems a lot sharper than most that I have seen with the same amount of wear to Britannia.
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 Posted 05/25/2010  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps it was a weak strike on the middle, or was from a worn die. On hand really the legend seems sharp.
An interesting coin still it is, as declanwmagge suggested any grade better than this requires some good money for that coin.
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 Posted 01/24/2011  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dafydd Edwards to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Molydeii "It's amusing to read about them and see how many different uses they had. (like weights to put on dead people's eyes)"

I don't know about weights, but I do know there was an old believe that you put coins on the dead persons eyelids to pay the " ferry men " to make sure that the dead person didn't have to roam the spirit world for eternity.
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 Posted 01/26/2011  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dafydd Edwards, welcome to the forum!
Yes.. Cartwheel Penny has awesome uses...such as shop weights, clock weights even putting on the eyes of dead people to avoid them popping open before the funeral (I've red that in a book)..
It is one of the most awesome coins in British coinage history, I think.
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That is sweet. Is that the really big one or the smaller of the two?
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 Posted 01/27/2011  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, wolf, this is the smaller one, a penny. On the bigger one the central prong of the trident points directly at "N". This puny one is merely 36 mm across.
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hi, I just got a cartwheel penny as a gift, I don't collect coins as a hobby, bu I have quite a few laying around, I was wondering if anyone could give me a rough estimate on how much htis is worth (its a much darker brown, but my scanner over exposed it, and I dont know how to adjust the gamma setting)

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 Posted 01/30/2011  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
motsu, yours is a twopence, it is 41 mm across, right? Nice coin!
My British catalog gives the value in this condition of £25 - 60, and my American one says $17 - 70. Of course they are geared for different markets.
And welcome to CCF!
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