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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Someone recently suggested posting Counterfeit Coins for reference. That is in my opinion a great potential resource for people interested in both originals and forgeries.
I was just wondering how much interest is involved?
I think it is very important, if possible, to discriminate between truly Contemporaneous coins (made while the originals were still in use as money or bullion) and Modern counterfeits (made after circulation ceased to fool coin collectors - Numismatic Forgeries and those made to bilk novice collectors and travelers - Tourist Forgeries.
I could post one or two images from my collection a day and not run out for years but I don't know how to gauge the interest level and I don't want this to get too boring.
I think a standard format would be great, but it is the information that is really valuable.
If anyone has any suggestions speak up. How could this work?
Edited by swamperbob
06/08/2010 6:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1801 Posts |
This would be very usefull. I personally refer to the Sedwick website (modern pirates page) to check on what is out there in the cob fake market. I think you would be providing a great service to the forum members who collect 8 reales. I would like to be able to reference a gallery of known fakes when I am looking at a coin to purchase. Can you make it so we can email you picture of our suspected fakes and you can post those also after reviewing the photos? At this point after following your posts for a year or so, I beleive I have multiple pillar fakes/ altered coins that could be posted as a warning for others.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think it's a great idea! Not only the pictures, but the "why" - like you usually do in your posts. The "why" something is wrong is just as important as showing the problem in a picture.
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Valued Member
Philippines
80 Posts |
I'm not sure if I'm qualified to comment on this thread, but here's my two centavos worth.
Organization of the list needs to be structured either by Minting country then by Mint, then by year. If this will be maintained here, a 'Sticky' thread would serve as the main catalog thread, and only you or the admin or limited number of people can update this thread. I don't know if the forum software does support this type of maintenance. This should be free of unnecessary remarks.
Individual coin threads or group of coins threads will support the Main Catalog thread, and this would be link into the main catalog thread by you or the admin. The individual thread would contain the areas of concerns / problems on why the coin is considered a counterfeit. In this thread will also all members can make comments or ask further questions.
My further observations is that the current volume of posts does not necessitate the creation of a sub-forum under 'World Coins'.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Bob, give me a few days, I'll come up with a domain and something really nice. You'll have access and can upload them yourself. How's that?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5832 Posts |
 You got my vote! Good to check out and gain insight of what I need to keep an eye on. |
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Valued Member
Philippines
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I think you would be providing a great service to the forum members who collect 8 reales.  This act would also mean a lot to other would be collectors, a great help even to the succeeding generations of numismatists, and to our kids as well... I for one will definitely be interested in the threads, contribute and post some as much as I can from my collections of counterfeits. May it be boring or not, what is more important is "we are going to make the first BIG step in exposing Counterfeits, Forgeries and all sorts of scams in numismatics, of course under the leadership of our Maestro - Swamperbob!"  Should this idea push through... then it is a  for all of us... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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swamperbob- An absolutely wonderful idea! Please do this so that you can share your knowledge and examples with the world. This will be a good step towards foiling the counterfeiters.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Thanks to everyone who commented.
Thanks to bobby131313 as well. I am fairly computer illiterate as you can probably infer from my age, but I am learning how to take and post pictures.
It is worth a try for sure and I would love to eventually expand it to other countries as experts or collections come forward.
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Forum Dad
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
588 Posts |
Great idea!
I think it could also be useful to provide an image of a genuine coin for comparison.
Many members will for sure be able to provide those to complete a thread.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
602 Posts |
I would be very interested. See 1870 1 yen. What do you think. WOLF
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Valued Member
United States
74 Posts |
Absolutely fantastic idea!  Interesting, informative/educational and priceless. I will be an avid reader and contribute whenever possible. This idea gets the Dancing Banana!  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
wolf-n-wa See post on 1870 Yen
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Forum Dad
United States
24164 Posts |
Didn't forget, still looking for the right setup.  |
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Valued Member
Australia
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I think its a great idea... My recommendations however (as a programmer/developer and researcher) is to actually plan a little and do it right. By this I mean something like the following:
Talk to a few ppl and figure out exactly what information you want for each coin - something like original coin country, original coin KM#, original coin katalog# other, counterfeit katalog#, denomination, weight, edge, material, image, image reference, counterfeit identifiers, general description, references (VERY important) etc... Also workout what information is REQUIRED and what is optional.
From here find someone who is a database developer (speaking from experience, this is an EASY one), develop a database and then find yourself a PHP/HTML developer and create yourself a web app.
This way you will very quickly (and easily) end up with a katalog that is Browsable, Searchable and Updatable (for example, you may want tp give a handful of ppl update rights so they can help add new items or update errors, etc)...
Additionally, include a form so ppl can submit counterfeits, which will then be emailed/sent or somehow saved so that you and/or your collection of 'updaters' can check/approve and publish additions...
Of course this means a bit of extra work in the set up, but longer term it will be MUCH easier to manage, update, etc. The only concern I can see is the potential for image copyright issue - you'll of course want to include images of each counterfeit, so a policy will need to be devised for when the supplied images are NOT scans of coins ppl actually own... This maybe just 'ignore the issue' (I've not ever heard of numismatic publishers going 'legal' on information sites), this maybe 'clear referencing' in the vein of "Weege, V. (2005) Münzfälschung (Berlin) s.87" (taking advantage of the fact that works of academic research are given a LOT of headroom to reproduce (for academic purposes) source material) or enforcing an 'authors permission' policy... Just dont get 18 months down the track and decide to charge for the service (like one of my previous favourite archives :( )...
Just things for you to think about... Its a good idea...
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