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 Posted 06/10/2010  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Later on buyers resell this staff described as -found in the attic,grandpa treasure,unknown origin etc.Is against the law.End of story.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
rut-roo--- What to do with the 1895 Morgan in my date set that is obviously a repro, purchased unmarked to fill the hole? Cuff'em Dano!
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 Posted 06/10/2010  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, look you guys and gals-
possession of unmarked replicas,reproductions, fakes, whatever you want to call them, is illegal. Period, dot, full stop. This is part of the Hobby Protection Act. A law to protect OUR hobby. Having these unmarked pieces floating around is bad for the hobby in general, OK? Because they eventually fall into the hands of the less knowledgeable or unscrupulous and are sold as real items, frequently to new collectors who get duped out of hard earned collecting dollars.
How many new people do we see here in a month with Chinese made fakes? Still think they are harmless? The darn things are everywhere now, not just ebay and other on-line sales venues, but in flea markets, junk shops, yard sales, secondhand stores, just about anywhere you can imagine.

I have no problem with properly marked replicas, but outright fakes need to be melted back into whatever scrap they were made from to start with.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here Here ! I agree SPQR !! One of the main reason PCGS, NGC, ANACS have made Hundreds of Millions of our dollars are due too the influx of the faked coins being put out wholesale. If you have ever sent in a coin you could call 1.00 of this fee a (NOT FAKE FEE) "so you are paying for this type of commerce!" (Due you still think it's OK!

20 years from now some grandson finds this thing in a box..sells it too a buddy as real. He thinks its real, is it fair too the friend that bought it because it neat? Or will it taint him from becoming a true coin collector?

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 Posted 06/10/2010  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is absolutely right to outlaw the practice of selling counterfeit/fake/replica coins with or without being advertised as such.

But how can you criminalise being in possession of such a piece if you are not trying to sell it. That means you will have to rely on other experts throughout the world to spot them and educate the rest of us on how to spot them.

Admittedly I don't live in the US and so don't face prosecution under your laws but I have several fakes in my possession and I keep them for my education and for the education of others. I have no intention of selling them on, period, either as genuine or fake.

Nobody is going to stop the flood of these pieces throughout the world (unless certain countries clamp down hard on the forgers but, let's face it, that isn't going to happen).

I'm afraid it's going to be down to the vigilance of the serious collectors and those that are willing to educate us. Something that this site (and others) does admirably.



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 Posted 06/10/2010  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree wholeheartedly with SPQR. First, it is illegal for him to be selling thse. Second, it is bad for our hobby in general, as these will (and by making a point of saying they are not marked, the seller realizes this) at some point be resold as genuine.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, NLP, MARK THAT REPRO! What happens if you die? Do your heirs know or care that that coin is a replica, so some unknowing fellow collector won't wind up with it in the future?
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 Posted 06/10/2010  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In 2005, Mr. DeNittis was lead counsel in DeMarco v. National Collector's Mint where he obtained a $9 million dollar settlement on behalf of 176,000 class members who were defrauded in purchasing a fake coin allegedly issued by the U.S. Mint to commemorate the "9/11" Terrorist Attack. The case was a matter of first impression in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York under the Hobby Protection Act 15 U.S.C. 2101(b) and is now a published opinion in the Federal Reporters. 229 F.R.D. 73 (S.D.N.Y. 2005).
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I think this is the one
I-Turned-This-Guy-On-Ebay-In....

Anyhow, you only needed to remit the C.O.A. for your disbursement/refund (I think... and I think this is the one). I got one cheap off thebay... with the C.O.A. Well, I know... the cheap wasn't really necessary to say... otherwise I wouldn't have it... Good nite, nurse
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 Posted 06/13/2010  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stunet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checked and the replica guy has been banished. Nice work.
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 Posted 06/13/2010  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i went back and was looking at his feedback, he sold at least 1 coin to another ebay seller... jasechase27 who I know a few people on here have had dealings with- me included

positive feedback from jasechase27 on this item>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ht_500wt_931
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 Posted 06/13/2010  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not sure if it was brought up or not, but wouldnt creating replica coins be the same as creating counterfit paper bills? which IS illegal? no questions?
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 Posted 06/13/2010  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
which leads me to check this guy out..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ESTATE-LOT-COIN...em3a5beacdd8
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 Posted 06/13/2010  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denp55z to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't it counterfeiting? If it was paper money say "reproduction" of a $100 us bill selling for $25, I would think the Secret Service or US Customs would be all over you. The other thing on ebay, which I fell for, are the so called "Silver Art 1 oz. Bars" that are.999 fine then small print stated it was a silver "clad" bar. These items are selling right alongside the real bullion silver bars. To me if they are copies or clad then ebay should have a category for fake crap like that and keep them out of the genuine bullion auctions and same for coins too. I tried to notify ebay about the problem and that was a waste of time. The first thing listed in the help section should be fake items but I couldn't even find a way to report it. I know BUYER BEWARE but ...
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 Posted 06/13/2010  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SDcoinguy, yeah I'm waiting to see if that Morgan shows up in a single auction here soon- or if he'll pass it on in one of those "estate" auctions
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 Posted 06/13/2010  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone had too work very hard to get photos that out of focus
More times then not bad photos means bad product!
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