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I think its finally time to get my own camera. If I spend so much money on coins, surely I should invest something in a nice setup. Problem is I'm technically challenged (or at least very impatient with technical related stuff due to bad past experiences). I've been using my dad's for about three years, and its getting outdated, we can't find the charger, and he often has to take it places.

Anyway, I would like something efficient so that I have less computer resizing work if possible. I'll probably sometimes be photographing dozens if not hundreds of coins so keep that in mind. Would a microscope help or is that only for really expensive coins? Sorry if similar threads have been made before, just kind of picky, lol. Something easy to use with an overall cost under say...$300 would be fine. So share some experience if you don't mind, and recommend me something too please. Remember, looking for something easy. Call me lazy, but I'd rather spend a little extra money than put in effort in this area.

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 Posted 06/10/2010  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stunet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love my SLR, it gives me control, I can add a close-up diopter. I can tether to my computer. I can fool with depth of field. But they are costly and complex. Canon and Nikon. I am a Canon guy.

However with a $300 budget I would go for a point and shoot. The best ones are the Panasonic. Canon makes good ones but can't beat the Leica optics on the Panasonics. Plus they are easy to use. You don't need a lot of pixels. You could pick up a used one with 6M. Or new:

Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS1. $230. This has a leica lens and a super Macro. http://www.imaging-resource.com/WB/...iew=dp_macro
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ZS1/ZS1A.HTM

Then get yourself a Tripod. Most will work. The cheap ones have more plastic on them, but if you are using this in your home it should last a while. Expensive tripods are mostly about being hearty tied to a donkey climbing a mountain in the jungle.

A couple clamp lights with fluorescent spiral lights in them (Look for photo corrected bulbs).
http://www.handhelditems.com/5500k-...-p-5711.html

If you feel extravagant I have lights on stands and it makes it really easy to put them where I want. These things go on sale all the time.
http://www.amazon.com/CowboyStudio-...p/B001NOG2T0

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 Posted 06/10/2010  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ShadowCreator,

With your budget and your stated needs, I would recommend a digital microscope. I have the QX-5 but am not really that happy with the results. I've seen images from the Dino-Lite and that would be my recommendation. Check through these threads and see some of the examples posted.

You will not obtain "Trueview-like" images from the Dino-lite, but it will accurately render the coin. You will also be able to get close-ups for error/variety shots. It is compact and directly hooks to the USB slot on the computer so you can view the image before capturing the shot on the harddrive.



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I'm going to throw some ideas out for your consideration.

First, it cannot be overemphasized, just how much less-stressful and productive you'll find tethering software to be, over all other methods. One static setup, you turn the camera on and never touch it again whether you're taking one shot or 300. Everything else happens at the computer. My experience is Canon only, of course, but there's software out there which will work with Nikon. I don't know if Nikon bundles it for free; I know Canon does. Getting it to work with point-and-shoots is problematic.

I strongly advise you to revise your budget upward to the level of a dSLR and dedicated Macro lens. We'll talk more about that budget in a minute. I say this because I found it rather difficult to arrange shots which satisfied me with a P&S. Not that I was unable to, but the compromises inherent were an annoyance. There was far less generality in terms of setup - I had to vary camera placement by coin size to obtain clear images of the right size and lighting was far more difficult to get right due to the very short camera-coin distance.

It bears mentioning that I am utterly and completely spoiled by the setup I *do* use, in terms of both functionality and quality. So take my opinions with a grain of salt. Knowing your rather, um, discerning taste in coins, though, I can't help but think that a lesser solution might ultimately frustrate/disappoint you.

Now. About the money. If you end up going the dSLR route, for pricing and availability considerations I firmly believe that Canon is the way to go. The competing dSLR makers can all duplicate Canon quality in our niche, but they cannot approach the price.

There's no need to think "current state-of-the-art" for your camera. My first dSLR was the 8MP Canon 350D, and upgrading since has netted me no increase in quality. The image size increase has been utterly useless in real-world terms; I cannot display my archived 350D images full-size on a 1920x1200 monitor as it is, much less the even larger shots I'm taking now. A 350D will completely satisfy your requirements, indoors and out, now and forever. Just like computers, unless you're a professional, the lower end of the scale is still far more than any user will need, and photographing coins does not qualify as "professional-level" work.

A 350D will set you back something over $300. I can send you two ebay links for sellers I'd buy from right now - the first is a used package, including kit lens, for $330 shipped and the second is a brand-new unused camera, body only, for $350 shipped. With a little judicious shopping, a 10MP 400D could be had in that range, as well.

The lens is far more important. Although you can make the stock 18-55 suffice, some compromises are inherent. It'll work for you if you want to approach your kit in two bites rather than one. A dedicated macro lens is where you're going to want to be, though, as soon as you learn what can and can't be done with shooting coins. Trust me on this - again, I've seen you in action.

Canon offers three dedicated macro lenses which won't cripple your bank account, in 50mm, 60mm and 100mm sizes. The tradeoff, in our niche, is only about ultimate image size and how far you can stand the lens off of the coin. All of them produce images of sufficient quality for even the pickiest numismatist. In the real world, the only difference is about how much you'll have to downsize the images before you can hope to post them anywhere online.

A Canon 50mm Macro can be had for about $265 brand-new. A nice benefit is that it will double as a decent walkaround lens, as well, something I can't say about my 100mm. The two larger lenses get a bit pricey.

OK, I've spoken my piece. You will be able to make a P&S in your original price range create shots which will get you compliments on this forum. Increasing the investment will net you larger shots and ease of use; it's up to you to determine how important that is.

As a thought, we live close enough to each other that getting together so I can get you up to speed in person is not out of the question.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stunet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SuperDave is correct. Though I must say there is a learning curve to tethering. It helps to be a bit tech-savy to do it.

However, I just saw one of the greatest point and shoot cameras on sale today for $129. http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/i...s/495946129/

I am guessing next years model is on the way they have to reduce inventory.

The Panasonic DMC-FX48 is based on a design by Leica for their own line of expensive digital cameras. It's crazy sharp Leica macro lens is one of the best.
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 Posted 06/14/2010  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great advice, guys. Thanks so much. I could manage a little more than $300 I guess, and I think the direct computer connection would be a godsend.s
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 Posted 06/15/2010  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gutkowski to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a Canon guy also that all I ever buy and I have the canon sd980is and love it,and the best place for deals that I shop at is http://www.newegg.com/ most of the items you can find with free shipping or low cost shipping with very competitive pricing.
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Thank you for re-acquainting me with daylight corrected lighting. I had to use different lights with slide film but just didn't think that the lighting would be that critical with digital. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. (Darn few of of left I might add.)
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Btw Dave, I didnt notice your last bit. I might be willing to do that. At the moment, I have to pay off these layaways but I really have recognized just how important good shots are; even if you have a good reputation, people tend to bid significantly less on your stuff because of slightly less nice photos.
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Btw Dave, I didnt notice your last bit. I might be willing to do that. At the moment, I have to pay off these layaways but I really have recognized just how important good shots are; even if you have a good reputation, people tend to bid significantly less on your stuff because of slightly less nice photos.


So true. A perusal of completed item listings in any ebay category reveals, better pictures make better ads.

I took that to the next level this week. I am selling an accordion and I shot a master player playing it and embedded in the listing. Its irresistible.

I was thinking a video of a "Diving Goose" Canadian Silver Dollar would be appropriate in a listing. Very dramatic.
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