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Ebay Dilemma....follow Up..refund Received..read !

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 Posted 04/01/2005  4:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add grovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I purchased this auction last month

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWN:IT&rd=1
I have been emailing the seller asking if he had a ship date . I emailed him 4 times so far. All I get is no date yet, no explaination. So today I go on ebay and look at his feedback and found this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=3965713517

So I sent him this email

Dear maja.maja,

Mark, I hate to be a royal pain. but I bought these for friends and some for myself and resale. all I ask for is a date I can get them. I look on ebay and see you selling rolls of proofs and then this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...5712805&rd=1 Please advise if I am getting these or not. and If so when and if not when can I get a refund. I would rather have the coins but this is getting a bit much Thanks, Gil

What do you think?. He can't send my shipment that I paid w/paypal right away but he can sell rolls !!!!
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04/08/2005 11:11 am
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 Posted 04/01/2005  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I did not hear back relatively quickly, I would first contact PayPal, then ebay, and lastly leave a very clear and concise negative feedback. After looking at the feedback of this seller it looks as if you are not the first.

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/neg...=Received+by
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 Posted 04/01/2005  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAAAAAAAMMMMMNNNN . Next time I guess I will read feedback. I will wait another week. then I will contact paypal. hopefully I won't be one of the ones leaving neg feedback. thanks
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 Posted 04/01/2005  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That Toolhaus site is the absolute best ebay tool.

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs

Use it and read very carefully. While many people are afraid to leave negative feedbacks for powersellers, it can still tell a lot about the seller or buyer.
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 Posted 04/02/2005  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was defrauded once on ebay US for 60 BU silver eagles
The guy had 600 good feedbacks
Then he defrauded god knows how many
14 filed IFCC and these complaints were forwarded to det Coco of Pawcatuck police
One Texan went to small claims court and got his money back

The only negative indicator was long delivery delays

( The guy sold silver he did not have and then bought the coins with the money he received and shipped them . He defaulted when the price of silver shot up because he sold several monster boxes full he did not have )
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A lot of dealers and sellers use this practice. I see so many offering the Mint Sets, Proof sets, Commems, Eagles, and various others just because they placed an order with the mint. Many of these coins and sets start fetching good money on ebay and other auctions because the Mint has sold out. Well then the orders are backordered, or not shipped at all. The seller has your money, no coins to ship, and continues to receive more and more from other customers.
I know that ebay is easy, and sometimes a little cheaper, but for what it is worth, find a good dealer, build a relationship with them, and pay the couple extra dollars to make sure you get what you pay for.
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 Posted 04/02/2005  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Filing a complaint with PayPal is your BEST option! They will contact him and then LOCK his account immediately. That lock will last throughout the complaint if it is not settled. The dispute will then go through something similar to a complaint board, which will take up to six weeks, and the account will remain LOCKED until that board makes a decision. I know, as I have been there! Your money is locked up and any new money that arrives thru PayPal is automatically locked up and basically confiscated by PayPal to settle the dispute in the event the seller won't comply to the agreement! My dispute was just the opposite as a buyer attempted to claim the package, which had to be signed for, was not delievered and that he had moved to another city. While I won the dispute my money and account were locked down for over a month. Filing a complaint with PayPal can make this seller miserable very quickly. Good luck and let us know how things work out.
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 Posted 04/02/2005  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Get this I just got an email from him saying he is wating for the D mint to arrive. so I answered Just send the proofs and you can send the p&d's later. he responded I could either wait a few more days or I can pay the shipping for the nickles. I asked how much shipping would be for 20 reg business strike nickles and he said $2.00. I told him I would wait.
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 Posted 04/04/2005  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Grovey. Just a little food for thought. Paypal specifies that a seller MUST ship within 7 days of payment received. If you apply to Paypal, you will get your money back with very little hassle. Also, federal law states that a seller must ship within 30 days from payment received. I have seen pre-sales on ebay and they have been described as such and still they must adhere to the Paypal rules if they accept Paypal and the federal regulations.
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 Posted 04/05/2005  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It burns me that some sellers take their sweet *** time to ship your product you have one/purchased. I think a lot of it is pure laziness to get things to the post office.

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 Posted 04/06/2005  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grovey
I too ordered the same thing from him
got the same reply to my emails waiting for D's
I am also contemplating the next step
I will try one more email.
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 Posted 04/06/2005  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I considered bidding on this guys stuff on a few occasions, watching yawl wait for stuff purchased has now soured any future biz I will have with this dude, especially after reading his feedbacks--I hate sellers who retaliate when their negative is deserved...
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 Posted 04/06/2005  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I emailed him again to ask what had happened to the order.
The note I sent was very nice however it was on legal letterhead (don't ask).
I also reminded him that he may be in violation of PayPal and ebay regulations.
The first note I got back rambled on about how he had not yet received the stock and I could get my money back.
Then he proceeded to send about two pages of ebay rules staing that he does lots of pre sales and everything he did was legal.

I think he must have re-read my memo later in the day because I received a second memo very hotly worded telling me he is in no violations of any policies and I could get my money back and he proceeded to send about four more pages of ebay documents.

I think his tone of voice in his emails melted my speakers and monitor.
I will complete this order and put him on a watch list.
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 Posted 04/06/2005  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's because ebay, per se, does not have any policies regarding this. Paypal does and the federal regulations regarding mail order are in effect for ebay purchases.
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 Posted 04/06/2005  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should those be posted somewhere for all of usons to reference?
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 Posted 04/08/2005  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grovey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I emailed him again last night, Should I just ask for my $100.00 back, This is the response I got

Sorry, do not have a ship date - - please see auction description for our guarantee on shipping and free coins if we do not deliver in that time period.


Thanks,
Mark
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