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1921 Morgan Interesting Die Cracks!

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Received this the other day seeing nice die cracks consuming the letters on both sides and a nice crack on the Obverse starting to the right of the "B" and continuing through the hair stopping at the top of forehead. . . where another crack is to the left. This Morgan seems to be a little cracked up

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 Posted 06/16/2010  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tiege to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are reverse cracks

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 Posted 06/16/2010  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tiege to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and 1 more pic

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 Posted 06/16/2010  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tiege to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One more crack from the front of the neck going up through the chin

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 Posted 06/16/2010  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tiege to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any ideas of the VAM catagory this would go in?
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 Posted 06/16/2010  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can take a look here until one of VAM guys check in.

http://www.vamworld.com/Morgan+VAMs+By+Date
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try your luck... just don't let your eyes cross looking at all the pics LOL

http://www.vamworld.com/Morgan+VAMs+By+Date

Good Luck !
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 Posted 06/16/2010  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will help I just passed on one in AU about an hour ago as I did not kmow what VAM it is
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 Posted 06/18/2010  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there is a 1921 DIE CRACK page on vamworld, but I have lost the link, perhaps Dave can post it for us....
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 Posted 06/18/2010  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has been quite a while Gene, but as I recall, the page that you refer to was only for 1921-Denver.
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as I am thinking back,,,,,YOU ARE CORRECT.....I do hate 21 coins, there are to many varities.and with 20 mil something mintages makes my eyes water just thinking of it....SUPER DAVE TO THE RESCUE...forget JimDandy....
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Oh, all right.

Sorry, guys, been kinda distracted the last couple days.

Early die state of VAM-51A:

http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-51A

I'm not really sure whether to call it 51 or 51A. There are a number of 1921 VAMs which have subvarieties distinguished by die cracking the original doesn't display. It's a judgment call as to when it stops being "original" and becomes "subvariety." Left to my judgment, the coin presented here is 51A because the cracks are becoming the story, even though the prime-characteristic break at AM isn't fully developed yet.

The telltale for me was the triangular break at AR in DOLLAR. Very few 1921 varieties show this, and I think 51 is the only Philadelphia coin with it.

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 Posted 06/23/2010  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your knowledge, SuperDave.
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 Posted 06/23/2010  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tiege to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Dave
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I never thought that 1921Morgans came out with so many cases of cracks.
Could it be overused dies?
thanks for sharing the pics!
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 Posted 06/23/2010  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many reasons for cracks in dies Nic. Many cracks are caused by improper annealing in which case the die may suffer a crack upon first strike. Sometimes a die clash will cause a crack to form. Some fissures are inherent in a die slightly sub-surface before first strike, unnoticed during inspection. Sometimes, as you say, extended wear will cause die fatigue resulting in cracks. In the case of the 1921 Morgans though, a good many of the cracks take on similar appearances in location, which I believe, is caused by the redesign and re-profiling of the dies (from that of the 1878-1904 design), leading to premature cracks.
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