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Portuguese Ceylon? Please Help!

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 Posted 06/17/2010  12:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cules to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Came accross these today and I am not exactly sure if they are genuine Portuguese era Ceylon coins as claimed.

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Any ideas as to what they would be worth in this condition? thanks :-)

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06/17/2010 12:58 pm
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 Posted 06/17/2010  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone? :-)
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 Posted 06/17/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cules Nice group of interesting but seldom seen coins. I do not really think too many members will even be familiar with the type. These, if real, are examples of RARE items which have a very limited market. If you find the right interested buyer they are in a collectible grade for the type. They are not extremely valuable in my experience.

I have a few coins of this type which are "real" but not quite identical in age or style. They all have the same strike characteristics as I see here. That speaks well for the possibility of the coins being real.

Why do you suspect a forgery?

Have you gotten an accurate weight of each coin? is there a range? Can you do a Specific Gravity?

If I were you I would photograph the coins placed side by side (without the holders) making sure the orientation of each is precisely the same. You seem to have several copies of the same date. That way it would be possible to see if multiple dies are used and also to determine if sufficient die to die variation exists of the PROPER KIND for one date. You can also determine (in some cases) if the dies were made by transfer from an original coin. If all copies lack detail in one area (or if one area appears to have been tooled on the die) you could have a forgery.

Small hoards of RARELY SEEN coins (even those not terribly valuable) are often forged and the counterfeiters rarely prepare multiple dies for their project. Matching dies in the case of worn copies (which I believe I see in this case, can be a dead give away for forgery. Even MS examples should show appropriate variations in striking pressure etc.

If I were not away from home I could photoshop the pictures into comparative shots to do measurements but the PC I am using will not allow me to work normally. I should be home in a week or so (family emergency).
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 Posted 06/17/2010  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Swamperbob, many thanks for your detailed reply.

These should be Ceylon coins, portuguese era.

Any idea of the current catalog values? I dont have my catalogs with me now, I have seen these listed under Ceylon, they are actually the very first listings for Ceylon. I have only ever seen these coins in this kind of condition always and there is a big demand for them here in Sri lanka, and it is quite rare for several of them to come to market at once, I can only imagine these are from an old collector who wants to sell out. A dealer offered them to me.
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 Posted 06/18/2010  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You clearly have a good handle on the place to sell these. In the US - especially in North Carolina there is ZERO market.

Perhaps I am too suspicious but in my experience several rare coins being sold at once makes me ask questions about them being real.

I do have a catalog at home that would give the price but I am still away in Missouri. I will get home Monday and reply then.
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 Posted 06/18/2010  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look to me like Xerafim's from Goa (India) rather than Ceylon..?
1650 has a value of $60 in good in Krause (4th ed)
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