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1883-O Morgan VAM ?

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 Posted 06/22/2010  8:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm scratching my head on this one. The "O" has a diagonal raised line in lower 1/3 of opening. It doesn't appear to have any radius to the raised line like an O/O remnant. It does have clashes on both sides of rev and a single clash under neck. I do not see any letter transfers. The surface of Liberty's face, hair and bonnet are splattered with small pimples similar to those of a rusted die strike. Also the rim on the reverse is somewhat off centered to the North for the lack of the proper term. Help please, my eyes hurt. nlp

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 Posted 06/22/2010  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can you get a close up of the MM? that should really help in tracking down....G
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 Posted 06/22/2010  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See if this loope shot helps.

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 Posted 06/22/2010  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Somebody check behind my tired eyes and tell me that isn't a High 8 variety, which would narrow it down to 4 possibilities.
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 Posted 06/23/2010  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like the VAM 3 0/0...., the O/0 has a uniqueness to it, although its a common VAM it has some neat gouging in the hair and on the face...
check with VM for VAM 3, at the bottom of the page is the mint mark like yours.......G
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 Posted 06/23/2010  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave the VAM 3 doesn't boast the high 8, but it does like like one to me...
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 Posted 06/23/2010  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VW only lists the VAM3 for the C3b rev. There are no die scratches on Liberty's face or hair as depicted and this coin has the rusted die effect on the obv surface. I'm stumped once again. The second 8 is definitely higher than the 18. Anyone want to see this in hand? Glad to send it for further study. nlp
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 Posted 06/23/2010  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noel, how about a close up of the whole date area, including denticles.
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Here is a shot of the date. nlp

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 Posted 06/24/2010  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the second 8, is high on many vams for this year..The Die is the DIE
which defines the die reverse on this coin.......the vam3 MM is one of definitive reverses of the 83-0 reverses. and there are lines in the face posted, however, yours could be something new, perhaps a LDS with pitting not listed. we are all here for learning ......post some close up pictures of the pitting or rusted die.so we can see what your seeing..love to see them!G
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 Posted 06/24/2010  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whew, I had to read that four times before it made any sense to me Gene. I thought that maybe one of our hands may have been clutching a bottle a bit too tightly, but as it turns out, it probably wasn't you.
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 Posted 06/24/2010  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My best guess, VAM 11.
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Closeups of the surfaces and pitting. Notice there is no die scratches at the eye or forehead. nlp

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 Posted 06/24/2010  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noel, the 1883 Philly coins are well noted for rusted dies.
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Thanks ZZZEEEEEEE, I do have a half warm bottle of bonnes farm on the shelf for you......the coin is interesting.....I still think it has the C3b rev........but do to the photo's you have shown I tend to think that the VAM3 OBV is not the same as your coin.meaning a different die marrage......if you had the scratches and or pitting it would simply be an LDS coin, however with the pitting,,,the vam3 coin should show die pitting which it doesn't.......any thoughts on this Idea?
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