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One Very Old, One Possibly From Mauritius? | Egypt, Zanzibar

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Hey guys,

Id really appreciate any help members could provide in identifying these coins.

They have Arabic text and I believe one comes from Mauritius. ***Edit: identified as Zanzibar 1 pysa**

The smaller of the two is quite worn, fairly thick and doesn't appear to have been very circular leading me to believe that it may be quite old. I believe it has the word "Misr" or Egypt stamped on it.

I really cant provide much more information than that unfortunately.

Anyway here's the pics. Hopefully one of you experts will be able to sort me out :)

One-Very-Old,-One-Possibly-From-Mauritius?-|-Egypt,-Zanzibar

*** EDIT: A bit of searching has revealed that this is a 1 pysa coin from Zanzibar dated 1299 Hijri.

One-Very-Old,-One-Possibly-From-Mauritius?-|-Egypt,-Zanzibar

Many thanks.

Identified - moved to World Coin forum - Sap
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I believe it has the word "Misr" or Egypt stamped on it.

Before you edited that in, I was just thinking that's what it might say. That might be an excellent place to start looking; I have a similar coin with a similar arabesque pattern on the back which I've never been able to identify and I've always assumed it was Indian.
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I only just realised! My Dad actually pointed it out to me.

Maybe EgCollector will jump in with some knowledge
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Sap doesn't know - FINALLY
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Sap doesn't know - FINALLY

Not for long; thanks to cat's promptings, we've both now got one less coin sitting in our Unknown albums.

Here is my example of a similar coin, which I mentioned in the previous post. Though it's as clear on my coin as it is on yours, I'd never read it as "Misr". I just assumed it was part of a longer word that had been truncated.

One-Very-Old,-One-Possibly-From-Mauritius?-|-Egypt,-Zanzibar

And here is the zeno.ru database index for coins of Ottoman Egypt. Click on any of the sultans from the late 1500s or early 1600s (such as Murad III, Mehmed III and Ahmed I) and you'll see many coins like ours, such as this one and this one. The last two sultans are even given in the Krause catalogue, since they reigned in the 1600's; Mehmed III is KM#3, Ahmed I is KM# 9. Prices were given for both back in 2003 at about $10 in Good, $30 in Fine. If zeno.ru is any guide, the coins of Murad III are commoner and therefore likely to be cheaper. Unattributable ones are probably cheaper still.

Given the preponderance of re-attributions and ambiguities on those zeno.ru pages, I suspect even the experts have difficulty attributing certain coins to specific rulers. Apparently the information giving the date and ruler's name was on the dies used to strike the coins, but the coins weren't struck heavily enough for all that information to make it onto the coins themselves; many have dates and names that are "off the flan".

I am content simply saying "Ottoman Egypt, copper manghir (also known as a fals), circa 1600 AD". It's certainly better than the "Enigma - dark bronze, Islamic" that it was previously filed under.
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Oh man Sap thats awesome! Thanks so much for the info.

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