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Poll Question
What would you like if whitman & dansco would taylor make albums for coin collector's ?

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 p&d satin finish
 p&d satin finish & proof
 p&d satin finish,clad proof & silver proof
 none happy with current albums
 p&d business strike, p&d satin finish, clad proof, and silver proof

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Technically, two of those are the current albums (first and third), if you put the P&D satin finish in the P&D holes.

Did you forget to include a place for business strikes?
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Did you forget to include a place for business strikes?


I'll wait to vote until the poll questions are updated ! ...

And by the way....no big deal but.... "Taylor-made" is spelled "tailor-made" ...
Unless of course the specific designer was named John Taylor or something.... THEN it would be "Taylor-made" ! ....
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I also agree.

When you have the option for P and D ... then it is up to the individual to decide if they want to put business strike or satin finish.

I am not really sure what custom album you would like.

From what I know, for Dansco

They have

Year set album - you can put one for each year .. or in this case each State or each park.
In this album you could put all P mint or D mint or either of the proofs.

P and D album - you could put all business strikes or all satin finish. Or you could even mix them, the holes are labeled, for example: 2010 P Hot Springs ... (or something like that) There is nothing to say what type finish, so you can decide either.

National Parks w/proofs - will have P, D, S and silver proofs. Again you can put satin or business strike for the P and D's, then clad proof and silver proof for the S mint marks.
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Did you forget to include a place for business strikes?

No you were supposed too use the p&d as the uncirculated and the satin finish as a type set Technically thats what they are !
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albums (first and third), if you put the P&D satin finish in the P&D holes
there is no pun intended jbuck
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No big deal but stay on topic
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Parkquarters ...
I am not wanting to be difficult .. but I don't understand what you mean

"satin finish as a type set"

Satin finish coins, are P and D coins.

I am open to learning something here... what type set do you mean .. and where do you get the information for

"Technically thats what they are"
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These satin finish coins should be listed with each respective coin type as you currently do with proof

Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t85638/#ixzz0sJKhZf6u

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I don't understand what you mean

"satin finish as a type set"

Satin finish coins, are P and D coins.

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The third party grading services, as well as the collecting community recognize these satin finish coins as variety tpe coins

Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t85638/#ixzz0sJMI8Y9D
There a differt type of coin also known as type coins
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I'm not following any of this.

BUT...

If I could get an album tailor-made, I would get a Lincoln Dansco without the '22 No D slot and holes big enough to hold airtites.
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Yes, the Satin Finish is a different type, just like Proof and Silver Proof, which is why they deserve their own spaces in the albums. This was the point I was trying to make.

I added an option to your poll just so that I could vote.
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I added an option to your poll just so that I could vote.

And I voted for the albums to be ALL INCLUSIVE as well. They should include everything that's available. Why are we forced to buy extra pages to house the business strikes ? ... ....or buy extra pages to house the Satin Finish coins ? ..
The album companies need to offer all inclusive pages.... it's just REDICULOUS AND ANNOYING !
I should not have to label my own or be forced to buy extra pages to account for this !
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To me this is a crazy argument. I feel compelled to reply once more.

First issue - P and D coins / satin vs business strike

- Are they a different coin? I would say no
- Do TPG give them a different designation? Yes
They are the same blank and made the same way, the only difference is in the die preparation.
This is just like pre 1970 proof coins, when the die were first prepared, some of those proof coins would have a deep cameo finish. These are the same blanks made with the same process, but here too TPG's give them a different grade/designation, but everyone still classes them all proofs.

Second point -
What should Dansco do?
In my opinion, there is no way to make a product that will make everyone happy.
I do believe they already make what you are asking for.
Let's look are albums for the new Parks quarters.
- If they made one that includes every coin, satin and business strike P/D's
clad and silver proofs, it would take three albums. ( State Quarter P,D,S,S is two albums)
The logical way to do this now would be to put satins and proofs in the current P,D,S,S album and the business strikes in a P and D only album. (This too would be three albums)

I think this is the way, based on the mint sells satins and proofs to collectors, these are not for circulation. It only makes sense that these go together.

Business strike or what the mint is calling circulating quality coins fit just right in the P and D only album.

I do think the mint started making satin finish coins because so many collectors complained about the quality of the business stike coins. Mint sets were sent back quite often because of the poor quality.
Satin finish coin seem to be more of a overall higher grade/quality.

I also think that now they are calling the business strike coins (P and D) "circulating quality"
that they may not let us send them back based of the quality of the coins.

I am sure not everyone will agree with me, this is just my opinion.
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They are the same blank and made the same way, the only difference is in the die preparation.
I was under the impression that the blanks were different and the strike pressure (very significant) was different as well.

I am trying to source that information now...

Even if the same blanks are used, different dies and different strike process equals a different type. The fact that the mint is offering the "circulating" and "uncirculated" coin sets for the ATB Quarters helps my claim. In the end, it is just my opinion as well.
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Here is what I found (emphasis is mine)...

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Uncirculated coins are manufactured using the same process as circulating coins, but with quality enhancements such as slightly higher coining force, early strikes from dies, special cleaning after stamping, and special packaging. Uncirculated coins may vary to some degree because of blemishes, toning, or slight imperfections.
Many, like myself, fully believe that they are different types. Maybe not as extreme as a proof, but different none-the-less.


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The logical way to do this now would be to put satins and proofs in the current P,D,S,S album and the business strikes in a P and D only album. (This too would be three albums)
By the way, I forgot to say that I agree with your argument that everyone cannot be pleased and this is a good solution that even I am considering.

I have refused the satin finish on my Statehood Quarters (all came from circulation) mostly because the change to satin finish happened midway through the series. But like the Presidential dollars, the ATB program has satin finish from the beginning.
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I can see your point jbuck.

And if I am wrong on the process of making satin coins, then I will have learned something.
I just have never heard that ...


For me over the years.. I was filling all my dansco almost completely from mint and proof set.
2005 comes around, I order my mint set .. and wow .. satin coins. I still put them in my dansco ..
So to me .. in my mind .. they are the same coins ... just made to look different.

As for what to do with the dansco .. I think everyone can choose which one to put into them.



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