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I just don't understand!I would have to believe on most of the coins that are 100 plus years old that are nice looking that at some point they have been cleaned some how some way. I have approx. 50 Morgans not slabbed and 3 that are, the 50 are in old whitman books that I know for a fact have not been touched in any way for 40 yrs. I took them to my localshop and asked him what ones I should send in to be slabbed he said NONE"dont waste your money",the 3 that are graded au55-ms63-ms66 to me 20 of the 50 are as nice or better then the 3slabbed ones.not just clean but details hair lines,feathers,ear's,luster,etc.  |
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All I can say for sure about this coin is that it has absolutely, 100% NOT been cleaned in the sixty-plus years that it's been in my family. Now, could it have been cleaned before my grandmother purchased it in 1948? Maybe. There are coins in the collection, including an 1895-O that appear to have hairline cleaning marks. But this coin has none of that.
I just don't know. That is, of course, why I'm here.to learn. But with the results I'm seeing from the grading company, I feel like I know less than when I started.
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Fatboy, some dealers can be really callous. Newmismatist, its also possible that your pics don't show some issue that is really there, or its just possible that PCGS was being stingy...
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What issues should I be looking for, beyond the obvious hairlines and general dullness? I mean, in hand this coin has beautiful luster. The pictures pretty much tell the story.
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Look very carefully for hairlines. Also look for excessive 'shine' which can be indicative of a dipping. Remember though that PCGS screws up....I bought a coin off teletrade once that was PCGS slabbed, and personally I thought it had been heavily wiped or even lightly polished.
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Shadow
That's another thing I don't get "Resubmit" the same dealer I took my morgans to was telling me about this he has seen coins slabbed,broken out resubmitted and gotten 4 different grades on the same coin and not close grades but pretty different is gradding turning into a cash cow for pcgs etc. just to get our money they can't see anything you can't see. Just some questions for us newbees.
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Thanks, Shadow. I'll look at it very, very closely when it comes back, that's for sure.
The frustrating thing is that I look at all this as a learning process, and yet I don't feel like there's much to learn from the results I'm seeing.
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Oh, and I will resubmit the coin, that's for sure. But not to PCGS. I'm leaning towards ANACS.
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I would have to agree with Shadow Re-Submit it....to ANACS or NGC
It won't be the first time I've of coins being body baged when you do know the true past, and that's not something they can tell in hand...
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If you have a graded coin, compare this coin next to it and slightly tilt the coin back and forth under some lighting. You may see subtle differences.
FWIW, I have a Morgan where the Obverse is in MS untouched but the reverse has been "very slightly" tampered with. Not sure what the heck they tried to do and why.
Peace.
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07/14/2010 08:25 am
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Just out of curiosity here.
I know this coin hasn't been cleaned in 60 years. In fact, it hadn't been touched at all in 55 years before being cataloged a few years ago. What kinds of cleaning methods were in use over 60 years ago? Were coins being acetone dipped at that point?
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Were coins being acetone dipped at that point? Not really relevant - you can't tell a coin has been dipped in acetone unless it removes crud which leaves a surface which looks different than the area originally without the crud. If this coin was cleaned, it was chemical rather than mechanical. That practice has been going on for a hundred years. I don't see any obvious signs of mechanical cleaning. However, under your lighting, the cheek looks a bit shinier than it ought for a Mint State coin....I suspect they just refused to slab based on suspicion rather than actual evidence. When you get the coin back, look in the reeding. Sometimes people who dip coins using tongs do not account for the area where the tongs held the coin, and two spots on the reeds will remain toned even when the rest of the coin is clean. |
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Ah, interesting info, Dave. I'll take a close look when it gets home.
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