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1868 Ten Escudos - Spain - Request For Verification

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Hello,

I have attached two photos of a coin that I need some help on.

Please answer each of the following questions:

1) Does this coin appear to be authentic?

2) What is the gold karat classification of this coin?

3) What is the scrap gold gram weight of this coin?

4) Considering it has obvious damage what do you estimate its value to be?

Thanks

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If the coin is real it contained .2427 oz of gold at minting. (.900 fine.) Total coin weight should be 8.387g.
However from the photo the coin does not look like gold to me, I believe it to be a copy, maybe it looks different in hand. The first thing I would suggest is weigh the coin on a quality scale and see what it weighs.
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Where can I go on the net to obtain free info. like

'.2427 oz of gold at minting. (.900 fine.) Total coin weight should be 8.387g'?

Having availability to his type of info. for several of my other foreign coins would have really saved me a great amount of time in the past.

Thanks in advance for the help.
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I know absolutely nothing about that particular coin but I do know one thing- gold does not corrode and that coin is heavily corroded. It appears to be brass or bronze based upon the black, red, and green corrosion.
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1) Does this coin appear to be authentic? the difference of letter sizes in particular at the 3:00 of the portrait side (..OS Y LA) proves to me that the coin is not authentic
2) What is the gold karat classification of this coin? original 10 escudos should be 21K
3) What is the scrap gold gram weight of this coin? for me its around 1,550 pesos per gram although I normally get basis on banks values
4) Considering it has obvious damage what do you estimate its value to be? If tests on gold shows no sign, I would say it has no value. You can easily have it tested on pawnshops.
mdpmedia - You may try searching for CATALOGO ISABEL II for the current values of all Isabel II coins be it for Sevilla, Madrid- Spain, Philippines etc... and in case you find the website, just convert the spanish words to english and have fun searching values in euros
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mdpmedia- That is most likely a contemporary counterfeit. As it has been mentioned, gold does not corrode, and yet there are many spots of greenish verdigris and other signs of corrosion. Also, often holes were put into fake coins in order to mark them as being such. In fact, I know that in the US bankers used to have rings of fake coins (much like key rings) which served as examples of known types of fakes.
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Definitely not gold - it's a brass replica. Sorry.

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Where can I go on the net to obtain free info. like

'.2427 oz of gold at minting. (.900 fine.) Total coin weight should be 8.387g'?

The info was probably taken from a book, the Krause catalogue of world coins. The people that publish the book also have a website - you have to register (for free) to use it properly and it should show some information such as weight and fineness of precious metal coins; you can also get catalogue values and mintage numbers if you pay an additional subscription.
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It is most likely the brass counter - not technically a counterfeit since they were not intended for circulation to fool anyone. They were used as gaming tokens. I own several. Every one I have encountered has been drilled. They were made over-sized so no one could confuse them with a real gold 10 Escudo. You did not give the diameter of your piece. The gold coin was 22 mm. The counter was over 25mm and they vary slightly in size.

If it is actually a counterfeit measuring 22mm, it is the copper/brass variety and Coronado considers them of relatively low value about $5 in Fine.
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Sorry to tell you its is fake I have the exact same one with same date and hole. No one would ever hole a gold coin , well almost never, and I figured from the density it is a brass replica. I got mine in a bag of old coins but the rest were real
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