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US Trade Dollar Forgeries

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 Posted 07/10/2010  1:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chuckles to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
New member here; still learning my way around. Many articles and dealers mention that US Trade dollars are often faked and that buyers should beware and look out for forgeries in this coin. Are US Trade dollars more susceptible to alterations and if so why? Never saw a US Trade dollar as a kid; went to Israel last year and picked up one from a dish of foreign coins in Jerusalem.
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 Posted 07/10/2010  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it is interesting to note that the US Trade dollar was meant to be used over seas. as a result most were exported and thus created a collectors market for a collector's market for a US made dollar...
they have been widely faked by china, and many more US coins and coins from all over the world,as there is an interest by collector's...some can be readily spotted as fake, and others require knowledge to detect them. you can post pictures here as there are some who have experience and knowldege about them...one of the best starts is to see if its a grainy/pourus surface indicating a cast replication...another was the weight of 27.2 grams is the official weight and the coin should be very close. I was reading a thread on the spanish reales dollars and the need for the US to have its own currency, the amazing thing is.......HOW ACCURATELY the could produce a coin to weight the same even when thousands are made. so weight is of great importance....on one of the threads I read recently, PGCS has a book on the Trade dollar available to view online at there website...you can search there or perhaps a member can post a link...
I have had to reload my computer so I no longer have the link.
, and yes pictures would help..
Welcome to the forum......
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 Posted 07/10/2010  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Napoleon31ft to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah its not that the coins are altered they are just not real.... period
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Welcome to the forum! Spend alot of time here and you can really learn alot. I have one Trade dollar that I bought (unslabbed). After showing to a few collectors, I became concerned that it was fake. Sent it to ANACS and it came back ok. I did not do my homework before buying an unslabbed trade, but it turned out ok. Again, welcome.
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 Posted 07/10/2010  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chuckles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your responses. Will look for/at the PGCS website.
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 Posted 07/10/2010  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Trade dollars are all somewhat valuable, making it profitable for counterfeiters to make them.
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This might be the link your looking for

http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-dollars/
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 Posted 07/10/2010  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome! PCGS also has a free on-line photo grade available to everyone.
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THANKS GOLDRUSH,, I lost my book marker when the computer died
anyone have the link to the photo grade?or is it like the book?
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Here is the link to the PCGS photo grade site.

It is on the same site as the dollar book

http://www.pcgs.com/Photograde/
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 Posted 07/12/2010  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several sohpisticated ways of fabricating coinage dies nowadays. I read a very good article a couple of years ago about laser optic profiling, and spark erosion diecutting. The image of the coin is stored as an a 3D image model, which is used as the instructions to robotically cut a coinage die. The fakes produced can detected visually, but this becomes much harder if the copy die that is produced is skillfilly worked up by someone who knows what they are doing. I have seen a Canadian $10 gold coin of 1913, where the blank was probably a $10 American gold eagle which has precisely the same weight and fineness as the Canadian coin. The technique of producing a hub from a coin is also common amongst forgers.

A good book to read is 'Numismatic Forgery' by Charles M. Larson, even a past President of the ANA suggests that this is an excellent book. It puts the numistmatist in the mind of the forger, and makes the collector far more sensitive as to what to look out for.

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