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 Posted 08/14/2010  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zeewool, I was trying to find out more info on this and ran across one of your old posts https://goccf.com/t/57166#453331 but it didn't answer my next question, so I'll just ask.

Your saying that when there is an error that the entire strap is replaced with stars? If that is the case then auctions like this one could never be true? http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Strap-Conse...aultDomain_0

I recently saw an auction on ebay where someone was selling a strap with 17 consecutive star notes in it. I am trying to find it but so far no luck. I wanted to check the series date as I could have sworn it was a recent one, but as usual I could be wrong. Actually all this would explain why the BEP has that striped band for star packs.

Also please note that when I ask so many questions about a subject like this I am not trying to be difficult, I am curious by nature and just enjoy learning about all this.
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 Posted 08/14/2010  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let me say this Nick, I am by no means an expert on small size green seals. What little information I have on the making of these things came directly from a Giorgi press operator in DC. It was explained to me like this:

The COPE-PAK system not only overprints the notes, it cuts them, and packages them. The paper used to make these notes is supplied by Crane & Co. in Massachusetts. The backs of the notes are printed on sheets of this paper first using a grid of 32 back plates. The following day, the faces are printed using 32 face plates on the other side of each sheet. Then the sheets are trimmed and cut in half at which time these now 16 note sheets are visually spot checked for error.

These half sheets are then inserted into the COPE-PAK machines where they are overprinted, examined (by the machine itself), and packaged all without human intervention. For all practical purposes, once a sheet enters the COPE-PAK it is not seen again until the shrink wrap is removed at a bank.

Blowers, suction and grippers feed the sheets into the printing cylinders where seals and FRB letters and numbers and serial numbers are applied. When stacks of 100 sheets accumulate, they are multi-cut from both directions, and these stacks of 100 individual notes are then fed into a paper bander.

These banded stacks then pass through an open area in the machine where they 'may' be randomly spot checked again by a human. They then travel to a 32 compartment carousel that collects 10 banded stacks of notes in each compartment.

These ten stacks of 100 note4s each are then fed into another bander where they are banded again and shrink wrapped together to form 1000 note packages. Finally, the machine will again shrink wrap four of these 1000 note packages together into a 4000 note package called a 'brick'.

Just like the 'check engine' light on your car, the COPE-PAK machine is computer controlled to alert the operator of operating error. Unlike the 20-40 trouble codes that the average automobile will identify, the COPE-PAK will identify approximately 700 errors, and will automatically shut the entire system down depending on severity of the malfunction.

All of the above is substantiated by what I have read elsewhere, but evidently with the 'news to me' testimony of you folks who have found random stars in packs of regular notes, the COPE-PAK is either far more sophisticated or far more poorly designed than I could have imagined.

It may possess the ability to correct its own error and automatically print and insert a star in place of an erred note, but lacks the capability to recreate that same serial number instead of creating a star. Possibly a measure to account for paper waste?
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 Posted 08/15/2010  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nickleman, nice find on the wet inks and the plate numbers (front and back) "should" be the same for the majority of them.

Fwiw, recently I found 100 consecutive stars in a BEP sealed brick. I was surprised to see it and it did have the striped band. As zee pointed out majority of the time these go out in full packs of 1,000 stars.

For most part all of this is automated now and I am not sure if the random stars show up as replacement for an error or as a replacement for an "inspected note" as it would be next to impossible for the operator / inspector to insert a note back into the process once it's pulled for inspection.

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 Posted 08/21/2010  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it worth $250 dollars to test out a theory?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1000-One-Dollar...aultDomain_0

This brick will end with a note with 4 zeros. If that sheet was replaced with one of stars then the last note should be a star note. If that is true, the rest of the strap will not be stars due to the solid blue strap (not the stripped one for stars).

Anybody want to take one for the team?
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 Posted 09/10/2010  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I contacted the BEP regarding the COPE-PAK system and asked if it were possible to have a strap of notes with less than 100 star notes in it. This is part of the response they gave me:


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Currently in COPE, we have two ways to exchange for print errors or quality checks. One is in the way of a 16 subject star sheet which would be replaced prior to beginning of the cutting process and then the other way is with the 100 note star straps which have the stripped band around them. There could be as few as one star note within a strap. That would indicate that a 16 subject sheet was replaced. Anything less than 100 star notes in a strap is the result of a sheet replacement.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, that's some very good and useful info.

"Sheet replacement" - I was wonder if these are the "inspected sheets" for quality control purposes. - The random pull.

Also I came across a pack where the ending numbers were NOT four 9's or 0's yet had 2 stars (last 2 notes of the brick). Interesting.
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Also I came across a pack where the ending numbers were NOT four 9's or 0's yet had 2 stars (last 2 notes of the brick). Interesting.


That makes perfect sense with what we already know: https://goccf.com/t/62652&whichpage=2#559967


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Currency sheets which have notes with serial numbers ending with 9999 and 0000 are usually extracted from the process and checked for quality and correctness, and are replaced by substitute sheets with serial numbers ending with an asterisk and placed into circulation.
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 Posted 09/12/2010  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nickelman, I do not get it. The 2 stars I found at the end of the brick were NOT in a brick ending in 4 nines and zeros.

NOT is the operative word.
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Ah, I see what you are saying. In that case it was probably just a coincidence that those particular sheets were replaced.
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