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This quarter seems to have some rust around the motto and the main device. It's largely absent from the rest of the coin. Does that mean that it has been cleaned? TIA

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 Posted 08/03/2006  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add B12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup to me it looks cleaned but maybe not recently.
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 Posted 08/03/2006  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks cleaned but not extremely harshly.
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 Posted 08/03/2006  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Susan that the coin appears to have been cleaned but, not to the extreme's of brushing, etc. Perhaps air brushed or steamed with slight rubbing but, that's all.
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 Posted 08/03/2006  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Berry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The majority opinion is that the coin has been cleaned but not "too bad"!! If that is the case, what is the status of the coin so far as a professional or experienced collector see's it? Would those, who can see that it has been cleaned, buy it? If yes, at full price or would you want a drastic penalty placed against the cleaned coin?...

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 Posted 08/03/2006  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has been cleaned but most likely some time ago
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 Posted 08/04/2006  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Texas

Im afraid that I'm going to have to disagree with the majority,, I do not see any evidence of cleaning at least purposeful ,, this coin has all of the evidences of circulation scratches and wear from a relitively short time in circulation. ,, and then being put away in less than a healthy environment.

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 Posted 08/04/2006  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what looks to be very light wipe marks. I could be wrong, but that is what led me to believe it has been cleaned.
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quote:
Originally posted by BERRY4402

The majority opinion is that the coin has been cleaned but not "too bad"!! If that is the case, what is the status of the coin so far as a professional or experienced collector see's it? Would those, who can see that it has been cleaned, buy it? If yes, at full price or would you want a drastic penalty placed against the cleaned coin?...

Berry



Hi Berry

This particular coin,, I would need to know the Mint,, If it is the Philly coin complete pass,, Denver mint, I would consider it at a two to three point reduction,, San Francisco Complete pass.

This is of course supposing the coin has been cleaned.

Rick
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Hi Susan

Minor circulation is sometimes worse for the looking than moderate to heavy circulation, the fields of a minor circulation coin are still even, and even a light touch a little time in a pocket can put hairlines on them, the rust color on the silver is an indication of a slightly humid environment and probly temp extremes as well.

It maybe better to err on the side of caution if this is a D mint coin,, pics are not the best guide, but I do not see anything particularly distracting on the one side of the coin that was presented.

Rick
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 Posted 08/04/2006  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rick...would not the rust color appear on other points, such as the hair and not just along the outside edge of the bust and around the Motto if it were only the result of temperature extremes? That's what gave me the thoughts of cleaning but, I've certainly been known to be wrong.
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 Posted 08/04/2006  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You may be right, Rick. It's definitely harder to determine cleaning from pics than from the coin in-hand.
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 Posted 08/04/2006  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all!
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quote:
Originally posted by dsking

Rick...would not the rust color appear on other points, such as the hair and not just along the outside edge of the bust and around the Motto if it were only the result of temperature extremes? That's what gave me the thoughts of cleaning but, I've certainly been known to be wrong.



Hi Debbie

I should have been a little clearer, Its possible this coin has been cleaned ,,I just do not see any evidence that can be pointed to with any certianty.

The red color is tarnishing of the silver, caused some kind of contaminate on the coin that is stimulated by temp variations and humidity,, the smaller areas along the bust and some of the devises are areas where this would gather,, and remain even from simple circulation.

I have an example coin of this ,,I will photo it tomorrow and post it ,,very similar in grade with the same or very similar red color in and around the devices and bust except a bit more of it,, which I can guarantee has not been cleaned.I know where this coin was stored and how, since it came from my Dad's after He passed away.



Rick
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I'd sure like a look at the flip side of the quarter before making a complete assessment on its qualities. I also tend to go along with the majority that it's been lightly clean as evidenced by the residual inside the letters, numbers, and other recessed areas. If it's a Denver quarter, it has some value, even in a cleaned state, but not an awful lot: perhaps less than ten bucks in raw and cleaned circulated state. If it's not a D mint, it's barely worth the price of postage.

The brown/rust color may very well be due to light exposure to sulfur (or sulphur if you prefer), either in an album or envelope which had sulfur (sulfuric acid) content. Since it doesn't take long for sulfur to turn a silver coin brown, then black, its exposure was relatively brief (presuming it is sulfur contamination).

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 Posted 08/05/2006  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Texas

Go along with the majority on this coin, I must be getting old ,, I still do not see evidence of cleaning,, but I'm definitely the lone voice here on this coin.

Rick
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