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Philip IV Spanish Help | 8 Maravedis

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 Posted 08/17/2010  09:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add farknarker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a coin which I believe is from Philip IV of Spain. I've seen 2 similar coins listed elsewhere but were made of silver. Philip-IV-Spanish-Help-|-8-MaravedisThis one is made of copper or bronze and is 20mm. The obverse is a profile bust right and reads PHILIPPVS IIII D G. The reverse shows what I believe is a crowned shield (don't know of what) and reads HISPANIARVM REX 1661. To the left of the shield there appears to be an 8 over the letter "R" or perhaps an S over the letter "R" with a dot underneath. On the right there appears to be the number 8 with a dot on top and bottom. Can you help identify the type of coin this might be, the denomination, mint, assayer, etc. Does anyone know what the different fields in the shield might represent? I'm attaching a recent scan.
Thanks,
James...

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 Posted 08/17/2010  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think what you have is a fake 8 reales of 1661. I don't know if it is modern or contemporary. I lean towards modern though because 20 mm strikes me as too small for a contemporary fake. (Says 8 are but the size of a 2 R)
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Thanks Conder for your feedback. Interesting comment. This is all totally new to me but weren't the Spanish copper coin denominations measured in "maravedis" as opposed to reales which were silver? Although it could very well be a fake, I would be a bit hesitant in agreeing only because it came in a lot of uncleaned coins and was heavily encrusted with nothing at all discernible. I have to question why someone would take the time and trouble to counterfeit a coin only to sell it in a low-priced lot of uncleaned coins. I'm not really concerned with the value though. Just trying to further identify exactly what it is.
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Size and design are correct for an 8 Maravedis. 'S' for Seville Mint, 'R' for the mintmaster. KM#163, $14 @VG.

The shield...castles and lions, Castile and Leon.
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 Posted 08/18/2010  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farknarker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much! Mystery solved.
James
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