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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Have this 1792 token which just does not look right ? ( Maybe it is suppose to be like this ) Both sides are the same, is cast , pitted and appears that some one may have put two pieces together as there is a bit of over hang and edge lapping. Thoughts and opinions please on what this is as I have no idea...Thank you in advance..   Identified - moved to Exonumia forum - Sap |
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Moderator
 Australia
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It appears to be a crude counterfeit Spanish coin; presumably it was originally silvered. It might even be "stage money", designed to look OK from a distance but not to withstand closeup scrutiny.
How large is it?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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sap..It is 12.7 grams and 32.18mm
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Moderator
Australia
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At 32mm that would qualify for a half-dollar / 4 reales.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Also note the are for replica in the field on both sides.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thanks Conder101... I seen the A on both sides but did not know what it meant..At first glance ones knows some thing is not right but its nice to have the real story...This came from a lot of about 500 coins and tokens I purchased and I'm sure there will be more to ask the experts about...
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Valued Member
Philippines
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Your coin is a nice token... Here in the Philippines, we call these ones "Doble Kara". (Having two 2 faces) Be it counterfeit, sometimes there are also original 2 coins being filed and sticked together to produce the Doble Kara effect. The way I see it, its a cast copy of 2 coins. Maybe it was intended to use as a personal effect / prestige of the owner-as a numismatist during his time. It is worth keeping as one of your accent coins  Edited by Pandesalapi
08/20/2010 6:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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When you flip it and call "HEAD" you always win  |
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Valued Member
Spain
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Curious token, I know topic is from 5 years ago, but Pandesalapi ¿are Doble Kara tokens common in Philippines?
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Valued Member
United States
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I believe they still sell these as I have seen this double header coin on the Boardwalk at Ocean City perhaps in the Kitty Hawk Kite store somewhere near the pirate aisle. You can buy cards with genuine imitation pirate money, games using imitation pirate money as counters, T-shirts proclaiming oneself to be a "Booty Inspector" and among all the shells, refrigerator magnets, and bamboo back scratchers I saw a glass jar with these "coins." I think they must cause some stir when found on the beach in front of the boardwalk by grandfathers with metal detectors.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes - cast 20thC modern forgery.
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Valued Member
Spain
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Thank you for information, I also think the same; I actually try to investigate on that type of buttons (or tokens)it is also a "doble Kara" but probably from second half of 19th century:  And it is curious that denomination "Doble Kara" (doble cara in spanish) v. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is of the type seen in our new coin book. If you own Spanish or Mexican you should own it: Counterfeit 8 Reales - Amazon Books - Gurney Part of the 1805 Lima Button Series - made later - detailed in book. See the Table of Contents (LOOK INSIDE LINK). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15...e=UTF8&psc=1JPL |
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Valued Member
Spain
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Colonialjohn: thank you for information. I am working on numismatic buttons (and other exonumia coin-like) and an inportant section of them are the gauchos buttons. I see you include in pages 166-168 three of them.
The one that I posted in previous reply was used as button in Argentina and after they remove the shank. I think they didnt try to use these pieces as a coin, weight and color are not adecuated. Weight is 10,38 gr. diameter 37,4 mm. and very thin only 1,27 mm. It seems brass.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OK. Glad to see the GNL Book could assist in your overall project. That is why HALF THE BOOK was not really written about BUST type counterfeits but other types and counterfeiting in general and how to use the principals of coin counterfeiting detecting to other series like edge examinations and weight reduction criteria. I know ... it sounds like an advertising line ... well in some ways it is for all these people stuck with 20thC Modern Chinese forgeries today. After reading GNL would this "possibility" be reduced of getting stuck with a Chinese forgery on ebay? Just a thought ... moving forward. JPL |
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Valued Member
Spain
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Well, you get one. I expect shipping with interest (unfortunately I think it comes by galleon).
Thanks.
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Posted 08/19/2010 7:48 pm
