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 Posted 08/19/2010  10:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Foolsgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Being new to collecting and living in the middle of nowhere I have a hard time finding quality coins. Does anyone have any suggestions for good websites to buy coins at decent prices
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 Posted 08/19/2010  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

What price range are you looking at and what kind of coins do you collect?
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 Posted 08/19/2010  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foolsgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect everything I can get my hands on but I would like to get a basic Morgan dollar set and expand from there
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 Posted 08/20/2010  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Harlan J Berk has a nice inventory of Morgans under $100
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 Posted 08/20/2010  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want quality stuff--MS65 and better--go to Heritage auctions. Sign-up and look around at past auctions. They are very professional and photos are detailed. You may have to wait for a coin to come up for auction, but you will be very pleased with the service and products.
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 Posted 08/20/2010  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

As to on line dealers my suggestion is to first get a copy of the Red Book. Then try to get a few copies of Numismedia magazine and some others. Attempt to know what you really want, need, willing to spend, may want to resel, etc. Then to start look up some of those on ebay but don't play around with ebay unless your desperate or just want to thow money away.
Then after a while start a on line dealer search and check out their prices per coin. Your really have to be carefull of making on line purchases since so many dealers are not exactly selling what you may think your buying. Lots of bad photos of coins. Lots of what you see is not what you get. And lots of other situations like that.
Yes there are many really good dealers but just taking someone's suggested place may really back fire. Some buy one item from a plaee and rave about it without knowing what is really next. Others just may repeat what someone else has said and has no idea of what that dealer is like. Really get to know what your willing to pay per coin.
Really do not take suggestions from anyone until you really check them out. For all you know someone making a suggestion is the owner of a place or works there. Even if the lousist place they will naturally say how great it is.
If you just want a list of such coin dealers try the search tab at the top and type in coin dealers, dealers web sites, etc.
But be real carefull with someone's suggestion since they may have no idea of what they are recommending.
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 Posted 08/20/2010  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foolsgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for all the good info guys. Incidentally what is the month that the new RedBook comes out in?
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 Posted 08/20/2010  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CEOcoinshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 2011 RedBook is out now.
Check online or book store.
I have been a coin dealer for 25 years, and honestly use the RedBook almost everyday for something.
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thanks for all the good info guys. Incidentally what is the month that the new RedBook comes out in?


Each Red Book by Whitman Publishing comes out in the Spring. Almost allways in April. They are always dated for the next year which is why the 2011 Edition is presently the one now being sold. May appear odd but since the 1947 Edition came out in 1946, that tradition has been maintained since then.
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 Posted 08/20/2010  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I you are going to do business with via the Net, that is OK, but almost all of us on this Forum are telling you to be wary of fakes. So how do you deal with this situation?

Before the Net was, now is, and almost will be for evermore, we acquired our coins from a dealer, face to face. You established a numismatic relationship with the dealer. This, in my opinion, is what you should do with a Net dealer. Go to as many shows as you can. If you live near a larger US city, sooner or later there will be a coin show where dealers of national importance will be present. Talk to them. Have a look at their stock. Look at their adverts in coin magazines. Those dealers who have advertised in the coin magazines for many years could hardly be called 'fly by nighters' These are the dealers that you should get to know and deal with. They have a good reputation, and work very hard to maintain that reputation.

Significantly, that is where you will get your book reference material from. If you are living out in the sticks (an aussie term for living in the country), get a good dealer to parcel post the reference books you need. He can also send you most of the coin accessories that you may need. You will need good books if you want to have a decent collection. Also, these are the types of dealers that can also give you good advice on fakes.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay is a great venue once you learn more about grading and authenticating coins.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a part of my job I do some background checking on various businesses, often internet-based. So, depending on the amount of money you plan to spend and the amount of time you are to devote, here's some helpful suggestions once you have a specific internet coin dealer in mind.

Make sure to take good notes during the process as you will need to refer back to them throughout. Note also this is not in order and you might jump around and repeat certain steps quite a bit depending on the information found in a later step.

-first look at their website. cruise through it, get an impression. Make note of spelling, punctuation, item descriptions, etc. View their terms and conditions, what do you think? Things like no returns for any reason ever, this is a definite negative. Hit their "about us" page. Does the site match what they say they are? IE if it's touted to be a super big consortium and high-tech organization the site shouldn't look homemade nor should it have a bunch of typos. If it is a sole proprietorship, you can be a more forgiving.
-put something in your cart & proceed to checkout. When it comes time to enter your information and payment info, is it a secure page? If no run away!
-are they an actual store, or web only? If they say they are an actual store, you can do a google street view of their location and make sure it really is an actual store, not a mailboxes etc. Nothing wrong with a mailbox etc location specifically, as long as they don't bill themselves as an actual store. And make sure any photos of their storefront which may be listed on their site match up to what you see in the streetview.
-is there a phone # listed anywhere? If not that's somewhat of a red flag, you want to have a phone # listed in case there's problems. If there is one call it, both to make sure it's valid and to ask a couple of questions-- questions you'd expect someone knowledgeable in this field to know offhand.
-do a reverse lookup on whitepages.com for the various phone numbers, fax #'s etc. A business phone or fax is nearly always listed-- esp for a brick & mortar store. If not that's possibly an issue. If it is, does it match the address for the store?
-do they do ebay? Look up a few of their auctions. How are they described, are they overhyped or misleading? Look through their feedback. More specifically look at the feedback as a seller section. Don't just look at positive/negative or the percentage, this means nearly nothing. Look at their feedback and scan through the actual texts. Pay special attention to ones that mention the actual item, and look for "positive" feedback that is either ambiguous or negative listed as a positive.
-look them up on the BBB website. What's their rating there, are they a member? Does their time in business match with the stated time (if any) on their website? Any complaints? How were they resolved? How many complaints are there versus the indicated size of their business?
-does their website list any affiliations or are they a member of any organizations? If so go to that organization's website and see about verifying their membership. I'd expect that some may have listings of any complaints lodged against their members (I don't know that for a fact, I've never dug that deep on a coin dealer, but many trade organizations do keep lists of such things)
-go to whois.net, you can look up the registration on their domain listing. Listings made by proxy are becoming more common, but I'm always somewhat wary of them.
-certain counties or municipalities have online lookups for business licenses, look it up. Make sure they have a license and that it matches their business or a related business. For instance it wouldn't surprise me to see a coin dealer with a license as a pawn broker, though it would make me slightly more hesitant. But if there was a license as a plumber, I'd begin to wonder what was up. (this one is not definitive--- lack of a license is often because the website you're looking up in is impossible to use or has some weird restrictions---- but if they do have the proper license and it is not expired it is a checkmark in the positive column)
-If you've found any other websites so far, go check them out. -google their website name(s), company name(s), alternate company names, address(es), email address(es), phone numbers, fax numbers, owner/president name, and anything else you can think of.
-Look for other aliases... more company names, etc.
-Look for complaints but remember that a certain amount of disgruntled customers are going to pop up-- that's just the nature of things. BUT when it's a pattern, across different websites, different dates, with different writing styles, that's a possible problem.

Last, take all of the above and make sure it all matches up. You may notice inconsistencies, a few are to be expected--- but lots of them, or big ones that just smack of something wrong, and you might need to keep looking.



That's the basics on researching... after that I'd probably place one or two smaller orders, make sure you're happy with everything-- quality, customer service, etc. Maybe even return one or at least call and inquire about returning it and see what kind of a reaction you get.

I know this is a lot, and maybe it's overkill. In fact I'm sure it is. But I got on a roll, and it's all typed up, so here it is.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might also want to check out their domain name at http://whois.sc This will give the history of the website. You might want to be a bit leery of a website that opened last month and was only purchased for one year, for example.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has been lots and lots of great advise here on this subject. And a problem with some of it is not always true and sometimes more true than you would want.
For example being warned about a new coin dealer web site. How can a dealer get started unless his web site is new? Possibly a new dealer could give you the best deals to try to make a name for himself. OR could be a fly by night and one sale and goodby.
Does the dealer have a store makes little to no difference at all for his values, trustworthyness, honesty, etc. One dealer I have gone to has a really large store and his prices are rediculous as well as his reputation for selling cleaned coins. One of the largest dealers I know has no store, no web site, just does coin shows and he is really big. Another dealer I know that dose coin shows tells me his web site is trivial compared to coin shows and most of his coins start in tne double digits in cost.
The main thing is to do as much research yourself on dealers.
Remember taking a suggestion from someone you don't know is not necessarily to smart. If the suggestion is completely bogus, so what. The suggester has nothing to loose but you do.
IF you do find a good, great on like dealer, let us all know.
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 Posted 08/22/2010  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Secret Argent Man : the thinking man's ebayer. Good Advice. Bravo! That is a long post, but we should all take the effort to read it carefully, if you want to buy on ebay.
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 Posted 08/22/2010  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.empirecoins.net/shop/ This place seems alright.
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