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Philippines
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These two interesting YII Philippine counterstamped 8 reales has a common denominator. The first coin is a YII CS on an 1816 FERDIN VII Host coin bearing a 5-3-1 pearl formation of the Crown (circa 1834). This is the same as saying "a YII on an F7" Host coin   An the second coin is an Ordinary and Common YII CS on a Peru Host coin as shown below.  I said Interesting because of the fact that each coin has a common YII die. You may take notice of the 1 o'clock position of the near adjacent pearls of the crown to include its base and lettering.  Thus even how very common the 2nd YII CS coin Peruana, it became one of my prized coin because of its relation with my Ferdin VII bust type YII Philippine Counterstamped coin Edited by Pandesalapi
08/25/2010 10:52 pm
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 United States
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Looks like the same counter stamp was used on both coins. Are you finding these great coins in the Philippines? If so I'm going to have to ask my family out there to start looking around out there for me. Very nice coins thanks for posting them.
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 Philippines
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Looks like the same counter stamp was used on both coins Yes you are right echizento, the formation of pearls shows the same dies were used by Hipolito Alcantara during circa 1834. Most of my coins were locally acquired here in the Philippines. Mostly outside auction, thru our circle of friends here. One of my fave seller happens to have stores all over provinces so he acquires most of his items directly to old-rich families particularly Ilocos on the north and Cebu in the south. By the way, where do your relatives reside here? |
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United States
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Good to know that these coins still exist and haven't been melted down. My relatives are in Angeles City, Pampanga.
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Philippines
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Good to know that these coins still exist and haven't been melted down That is one problem that we have been worried about. Because a lot of silver jeweller companies have surfaced out here in the Philippines. You can see them selling in tiangge or kiosk in malls selling silver jewellery items. In fact one of my friend is an accountant of one corporation that melts down silver coins. He says they do not have anyone in the company who is familiar about numismatics, so they do not know some of the rare coin they might be melting. I almost tempted to apply as checker with no salary, just to lookout for some rare ones (just kidding)  Nice to know your relatives are kapampangans too like me. I have been working on a project (rehabilitating an ice plant) there right infront of SM mall. At least trice a month I go there. Your relatives might know some of the old-rich in that province, there's a great chance you might get some rare ones |
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Taiwan
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Those counterstamps look very fishy to me. They're too sharp for the underlying base coin.
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Philippines
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Those counterstamps look very fishy to me. They're too sharp for the underlying base coin ColinG: It is interesting to note in your statement and seems you are having authority in terms of Philippine counterstamps. May I know what are your collections of YII's an F7's you currently have in your collections and why the above coins look "very fishy" to you? |
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United Kingdom
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This Ferdin c/s is absolutely genuine. What a beauty! You can compare its authenticity to the cheap peruana c/stamp. The pattern is an exact match. I see no issues with this one. I would estimate the Ferdin c/s value is approximately $1000+ in its present condition. The peruana c/s is valued at around the $100 mark. Both nice examples and 100% genuine.
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United Kingdom
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Generally if you you get a rare counterstamp host coin and find a match to a cheap peruana and it has the exact same pattern of c/s its 99.9% chance its genuine.
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You can compare its authenticity to the cheap peruana c/stamp. The pattern is an exact match. I see no issues with this one. yes Chops you are right, thats what I am trying to share to the community, however there might be reasons for ColinG that I might not know still about counterstamps - why he stated the above coins look "very fishy"  to the community Chops ! |
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Taiwan
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I'm no authority on Philippine C/S - I have a couple of chopmarked ones [my specialty]. But I've seen several real peruanas with fake C/Ss on ebay. I see you've posted on Manila Galleon Trade, have the guys there taken a look? It seems they've shut down the forum. By the way what do you think of this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Philippines-Spa...em4cf17d0416Is it real? |
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I'm no authority on Philippine C/S - I have a couple of chopmarked ones [my specialty]. ColinG: To give you a brief background on the above ferdin CS coin, the author of the award-winning book "Philippine Counterstamped Coins 1828-1839 with Original Archival Documents - Dr. Oropilla himself made an affirmative advise to me in buying the said coin. Upon reading your comment..." Those counterstamps look very fishy to me. They're too sharp for the underlying base coin"... I thought you may have very good basis for it and do have things which I might still do not know, or no less than the maestro on Philippine counterstamped coins (Doc.Q) may have over-looked. We normally make opinions on the subject coins and declare negations if we have factual basis. You may have seen my postings on the website you have mentioned, yes I also happened to be a proud member of it, and we state issues / redflags to support our opinions. This is for others to be aware of counterfeits. Quote:
But I've seen several real peruanas with fake C/Ss on eBay While it is true that there are a lot of counterfeits in ebay does not have anything to do with the above coin to support your declaration of "looking very fishy"  We are all here in this forum to enjoy and share a little knowledge that may be of use to the newcomers in the hobby. We do not use the privelege of being in this community to say anything just for the sake of saying something out of nothing or shall I say...without factual basis. Moreover, I hope you also share your specialty on chopmarks ( which according to you - you have a couple ones ) thru posting your collections. Greetings...ColinG. |
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Taiwan
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There is no finer authority than Dr. Oropilla.
I will try to post some of my coins - if I can. I recently purchased a new computer with Windows 7 and for some reason I can no longer download pictures from my camera. I haven't figured out why.
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United Kingdom
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Yes please share your knowledge on chopmarked coins. There was an Austrian coin with chopmarks recently on ebay. Did anybody see that one? |
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