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Some More Pennys And Questions

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 Posted 09/03/2010  12:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wazzappenning to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
so I have a few clips. and a few questions. questions first. what is the 2003 WP penny is it p below queen and w under regina? also I cant make it out but just curious what the "stuff" on queens collar is bottom left (new bust)is it a signature? initials of the artist? or die flaw on almost all of these?
also I have a post on here called 83 cap. havent gotten much response on it but I was wondering what it is really called if not a cap and if its worth anything or unique? its a 1983 penny.

now for the coins.are any of these worth much?

i have a 1981 single clip penny

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and a 1981 double clipped penny
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as well as a 1953 no strap penny
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any help would be appreciated. thanks
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 Posted 09/03/2010  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wazzappenning to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oops. I'm still new at this I thought this would show the links to the images. also, anyone know how to edit your own posts? cant see a button anywhere.
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 Posted 09/03/2010  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most people prefer images to links (less work :) ). A coin with WP means it wa minted in Winnipeg with Multi-Ply Plated Steel. Winnipeg only makes collector coins and the WP will appear together on the coin.

Good eye for the collar question. I do not own a microscope so this is the best I can do but it actually reads SB for the obverse designer Susanna Blunt.

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I do not take much in clipped coins because they can easily be made if you have the right tools.
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 Posted 09/03/2010  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The clipped cents look real to me--great finds!
For 1953, almost an equal amount of strap and no-strap cents were coined, although the strap variety is slightly scarcer--I believe.
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 Posted 09/03/2010  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, you can easily make a clip but it still won't have the diagnostics of a genuine incomplete(clipped) planchet. The Blakesely Effect is the primary diagnostic to use. After a blank is punched from the metal stock, it is run through an upsetting mill to form a proto-rim. Below are the stages of a Lincoln Cent. Far left is a zinc blank with sharp edges while the next one is a planchet that has gone through the upsetting mill, notice the rounded upturned rim.
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This process allows the rim to fully form when striking the coin. The upsetting mill works by force-spinning a coin through a narrowing channel which creates a smaller diameter than that of a blank along with a thicker edge. I believe that the examples I posted above had a 0.4mm difference in diameter when measured with a micrometer. When an incomplete planchet is run through the upsetting mill, the opposing force is not as strong at the site of the clip which results in a weakening of the rim 180 degrees from the clip.

Another diagnostic is at the site of the clip itself. When the coin is struck the planchet has a natural tendency to fill all of the space bound by the collar and dies. As the planchet expands during striking, the rim and denticles "flow" towards the edge of the clip and it becomes slightly tapered. Instead of an upward and downward flow into recesses of the dies, the flow is directed towards the collar.

The first two coins are genuine incomplete planchets with the second one also having a small secondary clip. The third coin has a damaged rim and tape residue. You may be able to fake the curvature of a clip but the diagnostics cannot be reproduced. If you know what to look for, you will never be fooled by a bogus example.
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09/03/2010 12:50 pm
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 Posted 09/03/2010  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great writeup biokemist!
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 Posted 09/03/2010  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1953 SF or SS (shoulder strap) is the scarce and wanted one.

Here is a list of the 1953 cent varieties. I don't know how current the list is for values or anything though, but a great shape 1953 SF would pay my rent and a bill for at least a month it looks like :)

http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...nt-1953-1964
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 Posted 09/04/2010  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wazzappenning to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks a lot ppl
i think I might have a strap 53. but then it cant be that scarce.
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 Posted 09/04/2010  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wazzappenning to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok I'm back. so my biggest question is how to edit previous posts as I have one tiled 83 cap that is this penny
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so it doesn't look like I can post it the same way in a reply
anyway the link I have is for the whole album and it now contains other coins. I'm not getting much response on this coin although to me it is the rarest I have.id like to know if it called a cap or...?
thank you iaconic for the initials, and thank you very much biokemist6 for the write up.
not sure if I mentioned this but I have had these coins for some time...so yes tape. I'm 37 now but I have had the 53 since I was 13? so I taped it to a board or something. I guess I thought the tape would come off clean at the time. I guess I was wrong. also for the double clipped I noticed (only cause I took close up pics) that there is some rim dammage (by el and ab in elizabeth and tip of leaf and kg on other side) could this be mint dammage as a result of the clips or a third (or do I dare say it a fourth)clip that tried but failed? thanks in advance
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 Posted 09/04/2010  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wazzappenning to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
please answer about 83 cap in (1983 capped? penny)
(i figured stuff out)
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